State of the Nation - Irish Soccer Review

A heroically resolute Irish defensive performance salvaged a draw in Moscow and moved Ireland a step closer to a second successive qualification play-off spot. Slovakia’s defeat at home to Armenia further strengthened the Irish position last night and with two group games to go this team’s destiny is in its own hands.

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Having started with the positives in the review of the draw against Slovakia on Friday night it’s only right to start with the negatives in this assessment of the national team (which overuses parenthesis throughout). There will be much talk of spirit and desire later but look past the excellent attitude and the stalemate in Moscow was a typically uninventive Irish performance. There wasn’t a single clear cut chance for the visitors all night and the best moments came from promising moves snuffed out by wasteful passes or solid Russian defending. Seven clean sheets in a row is a terrific achievement, and regardless of the competitiveness of some of those games it is indeed a terrific achievement, but Ireland have now gone three games without scoring and have created fewer chances in each successive game in that run.

Much of the lack of creativity stems from a difficulty in retaining possession. While Doyle and Keane battled bravely last night and though both Duff and McGeady enjoyed moments of rare possession in the Russian half, Ireland simply aren’t very good at keeping the ball. The formation might not help sometimes, and the tactics aren’t particularly conducive to a neat passing game, but ultimately nearly everything is a corollary of the absence of talented central midfielders.

The Centre of Midfield

There were various calls for the introduction of an extra midfielder last night from the RTÉ panel, from the commentary team and from armchair fans across the globe, but Trapattoni had nobody on the bench to turn to. Even at his young age the debate around James McCarthy is tired, and unfortunately opinions are already entrenched for many. The reality is that he is a promising player who will likely play an important role for Ireland in the future but he needs to prove (or even show) himself in an Irish shirt first. There is plenty of rhetoric about Trapattoni’s conservatism but there is a litany of players who have forced their way into the Irish team (many of whom featured last night) on the back of consistent performances in the international arena. The one overriding factor in the Italian’s tenure as Irish manager is that the players operate in a clearly defined (and understood) system. Sacrificing that unity and understanding to introduce an extra, but crucially unfamiliar, body in midfield was a risk too far.

Whelan and Andrews are the established first choice midfield pairing and both have had their moments and matches of influence but more often than not they toil through games laboriously. They are ostensibly holding midfielders but they lack the presence of Lee Carsley, or the passing ability and energy of Matt Holland. Those are hardly lofty comparisons to expect the Irish midfield to live up to but the current pairing fall some way short of such average predecessors. The current partnership could be tolerated if they provided a robustness that is expected of more defensive midfielders but they’re neither combative nor clever in their defensive work and frequently allow players to get between them and the back four. This isn’t a function of the formation or the system – it’s simply a reflection of poor positional play.

Aspirations to pay more progressive formations or styles of football depend on a solid midfield base and the need for surgery in that area is glaring.

A look at the alternatives is not particularly inspiring. Keith Fahey was an unfortunate absentee from these two games and he has contributed effectively from the bench already in this campaign. His goal in Armenia was vital on the night (and snatched an excellent result in retrospect) but of more long-term interest was his mature display when introduced from the bench at home to Macedonia. The Irish midfield of Whelan and Gibson was completely overrun in the second-half by their Macedonian counterparts but Fahey played a shielding role to great effect to protect his back four and used the ball carefully and positively a number of times. It won’t feature too highly in the annals of great Irish midfield performances (if anyone could be bothered to pen an authoritative retrospective on Irish soccer) but, such is the limit of our riches, that fleeting spark glistens like a hard-won blood diamond. He hasn’t had many opportunities in the Irish team, but did start the game away to Slovakia (in a wide role), as well as a number of friendlies. Establishing himself as a central midfielder at Birmingham would help but being fit for the next run of internationals is more important.

Beyond the possibility of Fahey the options continue to look thin on the ground and less than convincing. Darron Gibson has the international experience to play a perfunctory role in the current system but his limited involvements at club level are reflected in his failure to impose himself on numerous games. McCarthy may progress into a central midfield option but needs to learn a tactical discipline and has to make himself available for more matches to earn opportunities. There are one or two candidates outside the squad who might be able to make a difference – Owen Garvan is enjoying regular first team football in the Championship and has a respect for possession that is badly missed in the current Irish midfield. Chris McCann is a promising player who may be able to force his way into the squad if he can stay clear of injuries. The latter also applies to David Meyler who is perhaps the most suitable candidate from those outside the current squad. He has a workrate that will earn Trapattoni’s respect and though his first team appearances have been restricted, he has provided an attacking impetus to Sunderland when featuring.

The Wingers

It’s a feature of the Irish setup that the wingers are very much an isolated unit, distinct from the rest of the midfield. While the Irish formation is regularly referred to as a conventional 4-4-2 there is no real cohesion between the midfield as a quartet and it might better be described as a 4-2-2-2 with both wingers given a license in attack not afforded to (or not availed of by*) their central colleagues. They are the creative fulcrum of the team, particularly in the absence of any inspiration from Whelan and Andrews, and continue to be the source of most chances created and taken.

There is even an abundance of options for the starting positions. McGeady and Duff are justifiably in pole position and continue to impress at club and international level. Stephen Hunt is the first choice replacement now, ahead of a fading Liam Lawrence, but with Keith Fahey capable of moving wider and McCarthy another possibility in an emergency, there is a plethora of options available to Trapattoni.

The limitations in other areas make life difficult for the Irish wingers. This is most keenly felt from an attacking perspective where McGeady and Duff are regularly faced with a full-back supported by a winger and a central midfielder who can shift across to provide assistance in the knowledge there is little threat inside. There have been hints that Ireland want to be more inventive with the use of the wingers – and even in the rigid formation in Moscow, McGeady was a central presence to pick up loose balls from kick-outs. This is obviously both unsophisticated and fairly trivial in the context of the overall match but it does hint at the damage Trapattoni believes McGeady can cause when he’s allowed to roam off the wing. This was much more in evidence in the home game against Andorra where the wingers interchanged regularly and found themselves in regular support of the strikers but to date it’s only on rare occasions that the wide players have drifted inside in the bigger games.

It’s not just offensively where Duff and McGeady are exposed by the (understandable) lack of trust in others. They are allocated a defensive responsibility far greater and far more important than would normally be expected of wingers. This was taken to extreme last night where Stephen Ward abandoned all pretences at playing left back and relied on McGeady to cover the entire left flank on its own. That wasn’t the prescribed formula (hopefully) but Ireland do play with narrow full-backs who rely on the wingers covering the wider defensive areas. With the aerial ability (and natural instincts) of John O’Shea on the right hand side of the defence this is normally an effective barrier but both Ward and Kilbane have found it difficult to get their coverage right from a narrow starting position. Again this isn’t a problem that’s insurmountable but if the full backs are tucking in then they need to at least keep the defensive line intact and have to recognise the danger caused by long balls to the corners that the wingers can’t possibly cover.

It’s also vital in this system that the central midfielders are not lazy in their screening job. While Ward was strangely gazing off into space absentmindedly last night, McGeady or Duff weren’t helped by the static defending by Whelan and Andrews. It’s one thing being outnumbered in midfield but the response can’t be to sit too deep in front of the back four and rely on the wingers pressing the ball. This was the undoing of the Irish defence more than once in the home game against Russia, and Arshavin and Semshov in particular were too often ignored last night and left for McGeady, Duff and Hunt to challenge. Even Macedonia’s more limited 3-man midfield caused problems in Dublin with the wingers repeatedly required to track players inside, leaving gaps out wide, ripe for exploitation.

And yet no assessment of this area would be fair without praising the workrate that the wingers do put in and saluting the respite they often offer the team when they get on the ball. They are asked to cover huge amount of ground and they do it all night. They are as willing to sprint back in cover as they are to launch a counter-attack moments later when the ball breaks in Ireland’s favour. They are adept at winning free-kicks, they engage defenders repeatedly and never hide from taking on possession. It’s a position we are blessed in.

The Defence

Despite a succession of injuries and suspensions, the performance of the Irish defence has been nothing short of astonishing in recent matches. Dunne, O’Shea, St. Ledger and Kilbane (the first choice quartet) have all been absent at one time or another in the last three competitive games, in fact three were missing in Moscow. And still Ireland emerged with a clean sheet despite a number of scares.

The Russians fired in 24 shots on the Irish goal but that suggests Ireland enjoyed a greater degree of fortune than was actually the case. There were moments of desperation obviously, and Ward in particular was haphazard for long spells, but the number of blocks, tackles, clearances and headers was what earned Ireland the draw more than luck. Richard Dunne more than compensated for his error against Slovakia on Friday with an inspirational performance from centre back, repelling everything that came his way and never shirking a challenge amid flying boots and rough tarmac. The performance was all the more iconic with his bloodied face and hand-drawn number five, but such trappings were not required to elevate this performance to legendary status.

O’Dea alongside was a colossus and for all the concern about his apparent lack of ability he has now featured in three of the last four competitive games and has kept clean sheets each time. He is suited to a deep defensive line which Ireland employed last night, and obviously benefited from the leadership of Dunne alongside, but with St Ledger and O’Shea absent, Ireland now have four credible options for what has historically been a problem position. He lacks pace and can be naïve in his positioning but his commitment has never been in question and last night was another example of a top class performance against quality opposition.

St Ledger’s absence was keenly felt in Skopje and despite not even featuring in the first few Trapattoni squads he has progressed into a vital player for Ireland. His defending is more calm and assured than courageous and high profile but considering Ireland were toying with the idea of Alex Bruce as a centre back not too long ago he has been an unexpectedly effective performer. Adding John O’Shea to Dunne and St Ledger ensures Ireland have a wealth of experience and aerial ability and boast an impressive defensive record apart from the capitulation at home to Russia. It might seem churlish to gloss over that aberration but in truth Ireland were undone all over the pitch that night and the defence weren’t solely culpable for the three goals conceded.

Left back remains a problem position where the almost omnipresent Kevin Kilbane is likely to earn a recall despite some indifferent displays in this campaign. Stephen Ward has shown some promise but his defending was reckless in the Luzhniki Stadium and though he recovered reasonably from a nightmarish first half he saved up one error for late on when he was too casual in tracking Shirkov for a glorious late chance for Russia. Ciaran Clark hasn’t covered himself in glory in his limited showings at left back but will be worth another look when the opportunity presents itself – providing the player presents himself in Dublin of course.

Otherwise it’s a stable back four of Dunne, St Ledger, O’Shea and Kilbane, ably supported by the constantly impressive Given in goals. O’Dea and Kelly are more than capable replacements with Foley and Delaney waiting further down the pecking order. They benefit from a protective mindset and the conservative gameplan but this was the one area probably most in need of an overhaul when Trapattoni took over and they have developed into a very solid unit that Ireland can feel comfortable building a base upon. With goals at a premium for this team it’s imperative that the defence are sound and Ireland have achieved that and more.

Attackers

The September 2011 games were certainly disappointing from an attacking perspective but a bit of context is required to evaluate the striking options objectively. Prior to the game at home to Slovakia, Ireland had scored in every group game they played in. It was hardly evident from the stalemate on Friday night (and possibly only serves to undermine the statistic) but the only other country to have scored in every game prior to Friday night was Slovakia. Despite the two scoreless draws – one a disappointment, the other a creditable achievement – Ireland have outscored both Russia and Slovakia in this qualifying campaign.

Robbie Keane will be disappointed with chances he missed in both games against Slovakia, or at least he should be. But with 5 goals in the 8 games so far he is the leading scorer in the group and a strike rate of 62.5% is very impressive in international football. There are few signs of his appetite waning (insert your own joke about erroneous reports that he was overweight here) and he looks likely to remain an important part of the team for the foreseeable future. Marksmen with international records comparable to Keane’s are as rare as witty similes so his continued hunger for goals is vital to the Irish attack.

Keane’s partner in the next round of games is one of the more interesting questions (though not phrased as a question admittedly) up for debate ahead of the Andorra game. On the face of it Shane Long should be in the prime position to start alongside Keane. He was initially picked ahead of Doyle for the Slovakia match and while Doyle battled bravely against Russia his contributions in the last week were really more memorable for an inept display at the Aviva Stadium on Friday. And yet Trapattoni was quick to praise Doyle in his post-match debrief with the Irish media in Dublin. Doyle merited a mention as one of the four “very important players” for Ireland according to Trapattoni, joining the ranks of Keane, McGeady and Duff also singled out by the manager. It’s safe to assume that these are the important attacking players or Dunne and Given can feel a little aggrieved but either way it was possibly a significant comment from Trapattoni that was either a hint at Doyle’s importance, a deliberate boost to his confidence, or both.

The more effervescent Shane Long is a more obviously appealing candidate to partner Keane. He marries Doyle’s impressive enthusiasm for work with a touch of pace and has evolved into a mature finisher of chances. He was dynamic when introduced at home to Russia and his stock has continued to rise since (both at international and club level) but he doesn’t offer the same aerial threat or hold-up play that Doyle can provide. Much may depend on the two players’ respective club form in the interim but Trapattoni pays minimal regard to club records for established players, unless they’re at the extreme end of the scale and are not playing at all.

Despite Long’s current status, Doyle is possibly the more suitable candidate to play against Andorra. They’re unlikely to maintain a high line and will probably find it more difficult to cope with Doyle’s physical presence than Long’s pace. This outlook may be a touch British for some but it’s based on Doyle’s effectiveness in the home game against Andorra and he is effective against players less used to his style. There should be enough guile in the team with Keane’s touch and movement and the two wingers to drag Andorra defenders out of position – something Long offers more than Doyle – so Doyle’s more conventional attacking play is possibly more suitable.

Either way neither Doyle nor Long enjoys a clear-cut advantage over the other and Ireland have even managed to add a fourth dimension to the mix recently in Simon Cox. The West Brom striker has been an impressive addition to the Irish squad in recent months and already looks more useful and usable than Folan who he effectively replaced. He had a couple of shots against Slovakia, neither of which was convincing but it reaffirmed his goal threat, while like his strike partners his work off the ball is hugely impressive in a defensive capacity.

To have three good attacking options all playing well is a huge boost to our chances of converting limited possession into points. Adding the fourth in Cox means we’re even capable of withstanding injuries and retaining a reasonable cutting edge.

Management

There is little controversial in the assessment of players above but it’s the performance of Trapattoni as manager that divides opinion. Some are dismayed by the negative tactics, a few allow that disappointment to morph into disgust, while others will point to his record and argue that is paramount.

The truth, as ever, lies somewhere in between but to act in judgement of the manager requires a degree of balance and consideration of his resources. To begin with he inherited a poor group of players, struggling for form and devoid of any team spirit. Even the most hardened of critics must acknowledge that his work on the last point in particular has been phenomenal. The leadership from the senior players is magnificent and must be the envy of plenty of countries around Europe. The enthusiasm for work that attack-minded players now revel in demonstrates just how strong the collective bind is with this group of players. It’s flippant to dismiss this camaraderie as secondary or unsophisticated. Those who ignore the achievements of Trapattoni in this regard must have little recollection of the utter despair of the months that preceded his appointment. Ireland were frankly a shambles mentally.

Of course it wasn’t just a psychological issue. There was no discernible gameplan in the Staunton era. That has changed utterly. Critics will dismiss the reliance on a 4-4-2 (or 4-2-2-2) formation as stubbornness but must first of all assess the progression that formation has facilitated. A team that were embarrassed in the last European Championships qualifying campaign rebounded to finish second in World Cup qualifying and were unfortunate to lose in a play-off. The revisionists who point to subsequent French and Italian performances in South Africa should also be aware of Montenegro’s efforts since. From such a low ebb it’s impossible to argue Ireland have not improved under Trapattoni, but even irrespective of the campaigns that went before it is churlish to argue the efforts to qualify for World Cup 2010 were anything other than a success.

The sticking point for many is the apparent failure to move on since then. Yet Ireland are well placed to qualify (or earn a playoff spot) and are highly likely to finish on more points than the last qualifying group. Surely such measurable progress is praiseworthy?

The conservative tactics, and the rigidity with which they are employed, is another argument levelled against Trapattoni and it’s certainly more rational. The reliance on creativity from wide areas is clearly designed to maximise the return from the most inventive players but it has been weakened severely by its predictability. Teams find it easy to neglect the middle of the park and double up on the wingers. Opposing entre backs have become more aware of Doyle’s combative nature and are winning more free kicks from his enthusiastic naivety. Three men in midfield is likely to completely overpower Ireland’s offering and cause concern for a defence that’s better suited to dealing with two flat strikers and conventional wingers.

Yet it’s far too easy to dismiss a formation as “outdated” or to argue for flexibility when one of the key success factors for this Irish team has been the familiarity of the system. There are few teams in Europe that would have achieved a draw in Moscow with a central midfield of Whelan and Andrews regardless of who played at the back or up front. Both Kelly and O’Dea came into the Irish side at short notice and looked like they were playing with Dunne all their lives. Sure the rearguard effort relied on last ditch interventions but the players introduced to the team had little problem adapting to their roles. They had played them before and will doubtless play them again.

Midfield remains the problem area, and as mentioned above, the need for change is overwhelming, the personnel available distinctly underwhelming. Playing an extra central midfielder at the expense of a striker is a difficult case to argue when it involves dropping a cultured player for someone less urbane. It would be a more compelling case if McCarthy or Fahey had experience in playing in the Irish midfield but for a variety of well-documented reasons in McCarthy’s case this has not yet materialised and Fahey has unfortunately missed a number of important games also. It’s highly unlikely Trapattoni was unaware of the difficulties in midfield in recent games, it’s more probable he glanced at the bench and was reminded of the limited alternatives available.

In fact a more generous assessment of the tactics in Moscow might point to the introduction of Cox for Doyle as an effective change. It didn’t restore parity for Ireland in midfield but it did shift the balance away from the Irish defence for more frequent spells. It is particularly trivial to mention winning throw-ins in the Russian half as a strategic masterstroke but if Trapattoni is open to criticism for his tactics then the minor tweaks that prove resourceful deserve an equal mention. The issue with Ward allowing space behind him was sorted at half-time, belatedly admittedly, and Cox proved troubling enough (and different enough to Doyle) to allow Ireland gain a foothold in Russian territory for a number of spells prior to the final onslaught. They are not particularly astute or challenging adjustments but they warrant mention in light of continued criticism that the formation is rigid and the manager is passive.

None of which suggests Trapattoni is beyond criticism. His squad selection can be odd for those looking in from the outside - Bruce ahead of St Ledger stands out early in his reign, the reluctance to experiment more in friendlies has also been a recurring theme. There may even be a case for arguing that 3 poor midfielders and 1 good striker offers a better overall balance than 2 poor midfielders and 2 good strikers, but that argument is not conclusively convincing. What is indisputable is that the group of players at his disposal are achieving results and group placements better than their ranking suggests and probably better than we have a right to expect. If that can be achieved with a more open style of football then that would be wonderful, for now it’s time to be content that our destiny lies in our control with two winnable games remaining. Offered that at the start of the group and few would turn it down.

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Good read there Rocko. :clap:

The kind of article someone like Patrick Barclay or Garth Crooks used write in support of the English national side.

My favourite part - "None of which suggests Trapattoni is beyond criticism. His squad selection can be odd for those looking in from the outside - Bruce ahead of St Ledger stands out early in his reign "

We cant keep the ball for more than three passes, getting destroyed in midfield repeatedly and a Russia exposed us the point of ridicule in both games - but picking one championship player ahead of another as backup was what stood out early in the reign :smiley:

you would swear it was a controlled defensive performance the way you forelock tuggers on here go on about the other night. Dunne gave a once in a lifetime performance. Kelly and O’Dea straight from reserve team football did a lot better than I expected and can be proud of their efforts (more praise for Dunne for that imo as we saw what they were like with JOS in the side) but still even despite that, with a bit more care Russia would have won by 3 goals or more easy the last night. Luck was indeed the defining factor. The decision to go with the same formation/tactical approach as had been humiliated in Dublin against the same opposition should be inexcusable to any reasoned observer.

O’Dea’s playing first team football for Leeds.

A Leeds supporter on the forum stated that Bruce and O’Brien were in the Leeds side ahead of him. He seemed certain of the facts.

Started three of Leeds 5 games so far this season, two of which at left back

I’m with KiB and Pat Fenlon on this one.

Great read.

Eire abú! Forza Trapattoni!

I saw O’Dea play left back away to Southampton and he was quite good playing centre back against West Ham too. Them’s the only Leeds games I’ve seen. Bruce ain’t ahead of him anyway.

Decent enough article from Mackey in the Examiner today although i can’t say I agree with the comparison of O’Leary and Brady to McCarthy and Andy Reid, as the former were far far superior players to the latter, even if the latter two offer something different there is nothing to suggest they are consistent quality players at this level. Not to mention that Brady was the wrong side of 30 and an experienced pro while McCarthy is still a wet behind the ears youngster

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The Trap that Jack built

By Liam Mackey
Thursday, September 08, 2011
THE charge sheet is eerily familiar: the manager is too rigid in his thinking.
He is suspicious of so-called flair players, stifles creativity and freedom of expression, and rewards those who follow orders. The result is football of limited imagination and crushing predictability.

But, with discipline, organisation and work-rate exalted above all else — and with more than a smidgeon of luck thrown in for good measure — qualification for a major tournament is still very much on the agenda.

For Jack Charlton in 1987, read Giovanni Trapattoni in 2011. When Trap speaks of combating “fantasia” football with “mentality” and “enthusiasmos”, it is his version of Jack saying: “We can’t beat them at their game so we try to beat them at ours.”

And when the Italian makes the distinction between La Scala and the football pitch, he is only saying in his own words what the Englishman meant when he used to declare, as he often did: “It’s not pretty but it’s effective.”

Without too much of a stretch, those who wish to can find even more parallels: for David O’Leary and Liam Brady, say, read James McCarthy and Andy Reid. For Alan Kernaghan read Paul McShane.

The exceptional match that proves the rule about players finding themselves when the managerial handbrake is released? For Ireland v France in Paris in 2009, try Ireland v Russia in Hamburg in 1988.

The game where all the underlying frailties were shockingly exposed? Under Trap, it was Russia putting three past Ireland in Dublin. Under Jack, it was Spain putting three past Ireland in Dublin.

And if you reckon Charlton’s biggest achievement was in making Ireland hard to beat, then look no further than Tuesday night in Moscow for evidence that, under Giovanni Trapattoni, the Irish can find themselves pummelled on the ropes from first bell to last — and still somehow keep the knockout punch at bay.

In truth, the way things are shaping up, there’s every likelihood that we’ll find ourselves hailing some Macedonian Gary Mackay when, as it looks increasingly likely that it will, Group B goes right to the final night on Tuesday October 11.

One significant difference between Jack and Trap, however, is that Charlton had much greater resources to play with, especially when you consider some of the names who starred in the Irish midfield during his time in charge: Liam Brady, Ronnie Whelan, Mark Lawrenson, Paul McGrath, Andy Townsend, Roy Keane.

No-one could ever fault Keith Andrews or Glenn Whelan for their commitment to the cause but the lack of real authority in the heart of the Irish team continues to be a source of legitimate concern. And, of course, the lack of creativity there is an even greater cause for dismay.

But, even with the superior calibre of players he had at his disposal, Charlton never encouraged his teams to play through the middle. And you fear the same would apply under Trapattoni were he to belatedly accommodate James McCarthy, the young man to whom a nation now turns its beseeching eyes after prolonged flirtations with Stephen Ireland and Andy Reid.

There’s no doubt that McCarthy is better equipped than most to pick out a pass or create a scoring opportunity but, under Trapattoni’s locked-down system of two holding central midfielders, the concern would be that McCarthy would could actually ship more punishment than he would be allowed to inflict.

Still, I’d love to see the manager give him his chance — not that I think that that’s remotely possible between now and the end of the current qualifying campaign. Not unless Ireland are three up in Andorra, and even that seems unlikely in light of the team’s regression as an attacking force in the last two games.

Trapattoni is set in his ways and, beyond the pubs and studios and back pages, the raging debate about his anti-style has about as much relevance to the realities of Euro qualification at this late stage, as does discussion about the number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin.

Not to be sniffed at are the good things Trapattoni has brought to what we all too conveniently forget is a middle-ranking Irish team: organisation, discipline and a never-say-die mentality.

With that as the basis, and notwithstanding the weaknesses in central midfield, the difference between a good and bad Irish performance under the Italian depends on whether or not individual players all contribute as much as they can to the collective effort, maximising the positives and minimising the negatives on any given night.

Of course, the quality or otherwise of the opposition is a critical factor too, but that’s effectively the formula which underpinned Ireland’s best performances under Trapattoni, in places like Paris, Sofia, Bari and Liege.

It could be that, if qualification is achieved, he will feel more relaxed about fast-tracking some of the exciting talents who are still waiting in the wings or currently nursing untimely injuries — hugely promising players like McCarthy, Seamus Coleman, Greg Cunningham and, rising fast in the U21s, Robbie Brady.

But, then, that’s the other big difference between two mirror-image Ireland managers. It’s easy to forget that, much reviled at the outset, Charlton didn’t become St Jack until qualification for Euro ‘88 was achieved (by the way, if you thought Moscow was an improbable result, do please have another look at the glory game that was England in Stuttgart).

If Trapattoni oversees progression to Poland and Ukraine, he will be entitled, at very least, to the benefit of the doubt. But sainthood will probably only be bestowed if and when we’ve progressed to the quarter-finals without winning a game.

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Alex Bruce is only just returning from injury. O’Dea has been playing left back.

Good article Rocko. I think people are being overly critical on Ward though, he was constantly having to tuck in due to Whelan and Andrews letting the runners through in midfield with regularity. This created the space for the Russians to attack the right wing and let Anyukov bomb forward.

As for KIB, O’Dea and Kelly were unsure against Macedonia as O’Shea had a performance riddled with grave errors. You’d struggle to find a defender who would look good beside him when he’s doing that.

How highly is Cunnigham regarded? Is it just hype at the minute or does he have the potential to be on the same level as the likes of Finnan and Carr?

Mackay is calling for McCarthy to be given a chance - maybe if the fucker turned up for this friendlies he would have got one. Sickens me how these journo cunts just forget half the facts to accommodate their story.

McCarthy, like Andy Reid seems to be getting better with every match he doesn’t play. He has a nice free role in a 3 man midfield at Wigan and doesn’t have much responsibility for tracking back or tackling. Any half decent player will look good in that system.

Speaking of Finnan - did he ever play anywhere after Portsmouth?

He had a very good spell at Leicester last year where he played a dozen or so games in a side that was playing very well and full of confidence til he broke his leg. they were quite impressed with him and it was seen as a blow, Van Aalholt(sp) the young dutch left back came in from Chelsea and was nowhere near as good according to a leicester supporter I work with. He has potential and is supposedly a decent attacking option and comfortable on the ball. On the rare occasions I have seen him he has looked rather green defensively but that is to be expected somewhat give his lack of experience and the fact he has only really moved to the position in the last year or two after being a left winger the whole way up along. He is back in training and will hopefully get a loan move again in the coming weeks, hopefully that will tell us a bit more

Don’t think he would be an option in the short term but if he was to get games between now and next summer even at championship level it would surely bring him on a bit and have him in the mix for the left back slot come the next qualifying campaign

Marc Wilson is another player who would be an option, either in midfield or defence, but like Walters, McCarthy, Clarke etc., he hasn’t done himself any favours by withdrawing from friendly squads.

He was due to start either the Uruguay or Italy match, can’t remember which but cried off with injury the day before as well. Would have been an opportunity to stake a claim

Thanks mate. That’s esteemed company.

A few of the old favourites of your posting style in that post. Assessing players solely by the league they play in as though one player in the Championship can’t be better than another. There are differences in quality among players within teams and within leagues. Management would be rather easy otherwise. There’s even the little dig at the Championship in that sentence as though Trap shouldn’t be playing players from there. Obviously that doesn’t stand up to any sort of scrutiny but why mention it then?

You still don’t present any alternatives. You blame the manager for the fact the midfield can’t keep the ball but aren’t brave enough to come out and say we should play McCarthy in there because you’ll be shot down if you say it. What exactly is your proposal?

Since when is it a criticism of a manager that Dunne gave a once in a lifetime performance? Kelly comes out of reserve team football and puts in an excellent performance and that’s a negative? Again who was the alternative - Kevin Foley. Another guy struggling for games and not playing right back when he does play. A false statement about O’Dea just to add weight to your point even though it would be further praise for Trapattoni’s organisation if O’Dea hadn’t been playing for Leeds and excelled for Ireland.

Luck is a defining factor when teams hit the post, when the referee intervenes, when the ball takes a bobble and diverts wide. Let me be clear in case you didn’t understand - I think luck played a role and Ireland were fortunate. But to use a cliché you make your own luck. Ignoring the cliché and looking at the chances Russia had - they had two really gilt-edged chances that were on a par with Keane’s chances against Slovakia in both games. They had the Semshov shot that Dunne blocked on the line and the late header that Given saved and Andrews blocked the rebound. Semshov will doubtless feel he was unfortunate that he didn’t score because he did everything right. But Richard Dunne wasn’t out for a casual jog and passed the post at the exact moment that coincided with the ball reaching the goal-line. He made a concerted effort to get back to the line and block the shot and he succeeded. It worked out well for Ireland that Semshov put it to that corner at that pace but to describe that as lucky is to ignore the anticipation and effort Dunne put in. The exact same applies for the Given save (where he got his positioning spot on). Russia had plenty of other chances but as Mackey says in the article above it was no more than England in Stuttgart. Watching Ireland v Italy in the Giants Stadium (again a heroic defensive effort) and we were similarly bombarded. We got a bit lucky but even Pat Fenlon in his negative assessment agreed it was “largely down to” Given and Dunne “with a touch of luck too.”

Fenlon is another who bemoaned the decision not to play an extra midfielder. There was no Fahey, there was no Gibson. We were scraping the barrel for bodies in midfield. You can argue that we should have played a third midfielder regardless. But you can’t just dismiss the idea that it was a big risk out of hand. The fact Trap’s own risk came off makes his case fairly compelling.

I don’t have to time to go through your second essay Rocko but hear my brief interlude out once more.

Does anyone here think that the formation/tactical approach against Russia was justified considering the same opposition had exposed that formation/tactical to the point of ridicule in Dublin? I accept there was a risk in changing the system, there were few enough other options but to proceed with the same system, ie setting us up for another certain annihilation, is simply inexcusable in my book.

The notion that experienced professional players couldn’t adapt to anything but 442 is another that perplexes me.