I think the fact that United got a very favourable draw in the europe last year was very much in their favour, Marseille, an out of sorts Chelsea and Schalke was a very straightforward path to the final
I believe that the two best teams in the world are Barcelona and Real Madrid which indicates that the Spanish league is probably the strongest. Also the gulf in class between the best team in the EPL and the best team in La Liga in the final was very apparent.
The winners of Serie A were beaten by the fifth placed team in the EPL. The only other Serie A side which made it to the knock out stages were beaten by quite a poor team by the standards of the Champions League. That said, Inter won the Champions League the previous season but in the main, recent record of Serie A teams has been pretty poor.
That’s definitely true, it’s a relatively poor United team, especially in midfield. After three finals in four years, you’d have to start giving them some credit though. They only lost to the greatest team of their generation in the two final defeats and were narrowly beaten by Munich the other year when an in-form Rooney got injured.
They are one of the top teams in Europe. I don’t know how given the shit players they have though.(And I’m not being sarcastic here!)
UCD beat 4th placed Primera Liga team Villareal recently so not sure if your logic is sound Farmer.
beating chelsea would be hardly be classed as straight forward. Schalke were awful. Cant think of a worse side to have got to that stage of the CL before.
Putting things side by side in different paragraphs invites comparison 
sure if it suits your argument make up the rationale I suppose. I certainly didnt suggest Young was better than Ribery. Ribery as I said doesnt warrant his ‘world class’ tag and is thoroughly overrated. Never said Young was world class as he has a lot to prove yet. Rate him highly as a player alright. Amazing you picked out Young and Valencia from my comment instead of Rooney and Nani. All makes sense in your head I suppose.
silly to base the quality of a league on the performance of their leading team in one game. Agree I thought the EPL was pretty poor last year quality wise though the crap teams werent as bad as before. Man Utd, Chelsea had declined somewhat - Rooney, Lampard, Drogba, Fabregas had poor seasons
the logic when I suggested David Villa was one of the greatest strikers in the history of the game? Wouldnt think DJ Campbell is at that level yet
im sure that made sense in your own mind
sorry mate when im plagarising your views on football again I’ll be sure to let you know 
Eh you’re not really arguing this still are you. If you don’t stand over the comment that’s fine, just don’t pretend you didn’t say what you said. You were making a comparison between Bayern and United - because that’s what we were discussing. You chose Boateng and Ribery for mention as areas where Bayern aren’t as strong as people think and then cited Young as an example of United’s excellent attacking quality.
I can completely understand why you don’t agree with that statement and you’re doing the right thing in reneging on it. It’s probably best not to pretend you didn’t say it though because that seems a touch delusional.
Nani has done nothing to prove that he is world class.
Course it would be silly to base it entirely on that and I didn’t. Does give some indication but not an entire picture.
Celebrates goals in a world class way. 
In all seriousness he was voted as the Uniteds players player of the season and was really overlooked for the Pfa player of the year. Comparing his record to Bale, Nani scored 9 goals and 18 assists whereas Bale got 7 goals and 3 assists. Bales Champions league performance against Inter won him that award. :lol:
United steamrolled the Mls allstars 4-0 last night. 4 out of 4 on the tour. Bring on the :barcasmile: cunts in Washington on Saturday.
Point out where I said Ashley Young was world class or better than Ribery. You better fetch your glasses for that one.
I did say Ribery was thoroughly overrated with his worldclass tag, hey even a similar player like Joe Cole has achieved more at international level. I do think United have a fine mix of attacking quality. I’d have Rooney and Nani ahead of him on the worldclass pedastal and feel Young has the potential to be better than Ribery also. Valencia is effective but not up ‘there’ for me.
An example please of where Nani has shown his world class pedigree.
What has Joe Cole done to achieve more at international level, Ribery after a slow start was very good at the 2006 World Cup especially against Spain and Brazil
On the pedestal mate, verge of world class. Rooney has failed on high profile occasions but he is there for me. I’d have Nani ahead of Ribery for sure.
Why? Fine record at international level. Was
very good for Portugal in I think euro 08, definitely the playoff for the WC. Can’t remember much of Portugal at the WC 2010. Felt he carried United’s attacking threat for the majority of the last season when he was superb. Far better on the right. Can score, create, go past players etc.
Why do you feel tne need to constantly challenge what you said? It’s one thing arguing with other people but arguing against yourself is weird.
You made your points on Ribery and Young. I’ve already pointed out to them. You say you didn’t suggest anything, you did. I already showed it to you, I don’t know why I’d show it to you again. You have a track record on here of contradicting yourself and denying saying things you said so it’s futile persisting much further with it.
On the general point I don’t think you’ve seen enough of Ribery if those are the comments you are making. Again that wouldn’t be exactly new for you. Have you updated your opinion on Senna yet?
The great thing about the forum is that things aren’t what I said, they are in writing. You seem to have trouble locating the quote at the moment. I’ll accept your backtrack in due course.
I think… can’t remember…
:rolleyes:
I think you have problems with the definition of the word ‘pedastel’ as well.
Nani had a decent season in the EPL but that doesn’t show him up to be world class. He was average in Europe, didn’t even get his game in the final and made minimal impact when introduced.
For me, he is not near world class. He is not the complete player either. He reminds me of Ronaldo in his early days but not as good and hasn’t kicked on to be anything near as good of a player.
He made a big impact only a few minutes after coming on in fairness to him by gifting Barca a goal
The great thing about a forum is that things are written down not said. Leaves less open to interpretation but when you have people comparing paragraphs side by side and other nonsense then it’s problematic. You seem to
have trouble locating the exact quote at the moment however. Your riddlespeak is all based on your interpretation at the moment. I’d say if you read it properly like EPL Runt then you might get what I was saying though your heels seem well dug in now.
I’ll accept your backtrack with good grace in due course.
Calm down. Take a breath.
In your fury you’ve posted much the same thing twice. Let us know which one you think is the more articulate and we’ll go with that.
I’ll let you choose mate.
P.S. Few issues with posting on the mobile since the software upgrade. I can get cut down in the middle of some beautiful prose, can you resolve this issue?