2016 All Ireland Hurling & Camogie Finals

  1. More specifically, regarding the players and the match:

(a) First off: James McGarry hasn’t got anything like the credit he deserves for an immaculate display. The run-up to John Hoyne’s point showed how difficult it is to control this new sliothar. Once again, McGarry was exemplary, in his unfussy way, as to control and handling. The rustiness that flecked his Leinster Final performance appears to have been flensed.

(b) Much to Michael Kavanagh’s credit, he recovered from an uneasy start, during which O’Meara troubled him in the air. His composure must be worth an awful lot to the men who hurl beside him. Earlier in the year, I broached the notion that Kilkenny’s chances of winning the A-I might be intimately linked to Kavanagh’s chances of HOTY. He wouldn’t, at the minute, be one of the real frontrunners (although: who they? 2003 is a bit like 1991: MOTM in A-I Final is likely to be HOTY). It would never be easy for a cornerback to be HOTY. With Kavanagh, however, it is still possible.

© Noel Hickey was indifferent to poor. That’s the truth. He was very culpable for Carroll’s goal chance, for instance, spilling a delivery he had every chance to control. I would be more worried save for the way Hickey appears to play to a contrapuntal rhythm: ropey game followed by an assured display. Also – or at least according to Enda McEvoy’s report on the League game with Cork – Joe Deane finds the going hard enough on the Dunnamaggin man, needing the deliveries into him “bespoke-tailored”.

(d) James Ryall wasn’t as bad in the first half as people seem to feel. Against a forward of Eoin Kelly’s brilliance, plied with high-order deliveries from his halfbacks and midfield, anyone would struggle – particularly in their second big match. It is up to Ryall’s colleagues out the field to shield him from having to defend against quality ball. He seems a good enough stickman (and gives, if only on grounds of stature, a long-awaited second option at fullback). And it is to his credit that he improved throughout the match. That said, he did bullock one awful wide from distance in the first half when a cute low delivery was definitely the percentage ball. Not brilliant. But not a liability.

(e) Sean Dowling, in a way, is a remarkable hurler, as evidenced by the amount of two-touch hurling – trap it on the stick and move the sliothar on without taking it to hand – he played in the semi-final. Even Tommy Dunne, flawless of technique, would be chuffed with so frequent a recourse to that tactic. Even Gerald McCarthy would. It is an awful pity no coach took Dowling in hand as a young fella. His changing of hands on the hurl – in no. 5 fashion (same as Paddy Mullally) – inevitably makes you wonder what he could do if someone had insisted on the orthodoxy of technique insisted on by one of Babs Keating’s coaches. Inevitably, the attrition is on ground strokes and striking on the run. Also, watch the way he clears sliothar: very poor, as The Blues says. He’s getting away with it for the moment because of sheer physical power on the part of Hoyne and Shefflin. But watch the way the hurl seems to vibrate in his hand after the stroke: brute effort is the motor, not ease of technique. That can’t work forever.

Still, while all Dowling needs to do is fetch, make ground and clear, he’ll be reasonably okay, being a strong fetching man. Anything else, and he’s in bother. Nothing about Timmy McCarthy’s game over the last few years says he has the equipment to haunt that lax coach.

(f) Peter Barry doesn’t have much hurling. We all know that, now. He can’t even take a free. But we will never doubt his leadership and positional sense. Gleeson’s stand-up style (and fair play to Gleeson for his efforts) ultimately suits Barry, for all the hurly-burly. Gleeson will never deliver a killer goal-scoring pass, a la Joe Cooney. Niall McCarthy will be a different challenge with his running. Probably, McCarthy will do well in the first half and be substituted with 12 minutes to go. Barry will not allow McCarthy to run through him. And so a key goal is unlikely to accrue.

(g) J. J. Delaney is a class act. A blinding performance in the Final would see him a very credible contender for HOTY.

(h) Paddy Mullally did well – very well for a man who’d been out of the intercounty frame for so long. Tasty and slick, especially with the height of his deliveries. How good would he be if he wasn’t handicapped by barked technique?

(i) Derek Lyng hit some really poor wides in the first half. But you couldn’t say he did bad. Unless the first effort goes over, however, he should pick a man in the fullforward line unless the next one is an absolute gimme. If ever there was a forward sextet that bore out the proverbial ‘Take your points and the goals will come’, it’s the current Kilkenny crowd. People queried whether he’d be that important a mover in the game due to this new sliothar making midfield still more redundant. He was, picking up broken ball around the halfback line. As I recall, the second – and decisive – goal came form a Lyng play. Worries about him are pretty much gone. He just needs to up his decision-making on the ball.

(j) Absolutely correct call to put Henry on Paul Kelly: stickin out. Bad wides, of course, which is sort of baffling. Again, however, was involved in lots of decisive things. Seems to be building up to something. Hurling very much within himself, which is sort of terrifying. Must buck up, even though he has scored a goal a game this season.

(k) “BIG JOHN HOYNE!”: so roared Barrie Henriques, as replayed on Radio Kilkenny the next day. That says it all, really. He had a job to do. He did it. He is limited in a most liberating way for his colleagues (as Henry always stresses). No reason why he can’t stride on, so long as he is given clearly defined tasks.

(l) Halfway through the first half, Shefflin had to offer Tommy Walsh a few stern words, pointing to where he should be (and where he wasn’t and where he hadn’t been: in his given position). I mentioned in the run-up to the match that Walsh is ill-suited to hurling, generally, at wingforward and, particularly, on Eamonn Corcoran. Tommy just doesn’t hold his ground. He was right over the other side of the field when Corcoran picked his brilliant delivery to Eoin Kelly for the goal that was disallowed. Tommy is an absolute dinger. But he is not a top-class intercounty wingforward – although he meets that adjectival challenge (and more) in three other lines of the field. As it is, he might end up scrapping for a place in the Final with Mullally. Dougal, on the face of it, is made for Ronan Curran’s catch-and-clear style. Shefflin would be a right ask for Tom Kenny. And, so arranged, would not Jimmy Coogan or Conor Phelan be the man to ask questions of Sean Og? An interesting one.
Also, had we lost, it should be noted, the scenario of Tommy being put in at no. 13 for about 15 minutes before halftime would have sharpened many knives.

(m) D. J. is hurling like a man preoccupied. He just doesn’t seem fully to be engaged with the flow of the game. Still, it is a mark of his enduring class to slot so blithely those crucial 65s.

(n) Gorta was an unsung hero. Again. It is wonderful to have the option of bringing him out to wingforward (as was taken before halftime). There is not a team in the country that wouldn’t love to have him. He gives us – and will continue to give us – great flexibility. Gorta won’t let us down.

(o) As we sat down in our seats, I said to the Donegal friend that was with me: “I’d say today is going to be a good day for Eddie Brennan.” Just couldn’t see Costello being able for him (especially since he’d wouldn’t be as psyched up as he’d be if marking Carey). 2002’s Munster Final laid bare a coarseness in Costello’s game that is not going to go away at this stage. Brennan suits him even less than Carey, since Brennan is more direct. For whatever reason, the G-BC man removed his infuriating habit of coming from behind the cornerback. That being the case, the necessary ability, as we’ve all long acknowledged, is there. Eddie has, if he goes well next month, a right chance of grooving his name deep in Kilkenny hurling history. I liked the point about him putting his fist up as he was substituted by Carter last year. Get out in front. Scare them. Score then. You will. You will.

§ ’Tis quite something to win by twelve points, pulling up, and to still be going into an All-Ireland Final in which Noel Hickey, Derek Lyng, Henry Shefflin, Tommy Walsh and D. J. Carey all have serious points to prove.

(q) I have had some harsh words to say about Brian Cody’s decisions over the course of this summer (and beforehand). Be that as it may, I said to Hattons Grace before the semi-final that no knife was being sharpened on my part: win, lose or draw. Cody is the best man for the job: I have always said that. Although I wasn’t entirely happy – shall we say… – with his method of conveying said implicit conviction, it presumably was our manager’s belief that we didn’t need Charlie Carter to beat whoever. Was far from sure about that fugitive credo: and was mistaken, in fairness. Will also admit that I am one of those people who really like to be right: a fault of mine. But never was I so happy to be wrong, in whatever fashion. The manner in which Cody seems able to form a TEAM is remarkable. It could not be said yet to be a team of great hurlers (though J. J.’s progress and Tommy’s arrival has bulked up that quotient). As a unit, however, they are now dwellers on the threshold of greatness.

  1. One of W. B. Yeats’ most memorable phrases came when he acknowledged “the eternal virginity of the soul”. Every Kilkenny match I attend on a do-or-die occasion reminds me of how right he was. Ormonde blood, of course.

  2. The team-talk couldn’t be more straightforward. Grown men don’t quickly forget coming off a train in tears in front of a crowd of thousands.

  3. We are going to do it.

Sid you pull random examples from god knows when to support bizarre views, half of which i don’t believe you believe but you have nothing better to do with your life than argue.

Life was very different even 15 years ago. You are one of the many people who seem to seperate life from aport or the athlete. Was the mental prep needed for 15/20/30 years ago different than what it is now? Of course it was. But are some of the basics the same? Absolutely.

To be honest, my honest views and straight talking approach means i avoid alot of tyre kickers and i get clients that are very suited to me, the no-nonsense types. So the experience is high quality for everyone. I don’t have this irish affliction of fearing being wrong, or fearing someone not agreeing with everything i say. I just don’t have it. So when guys think they are having “victories” here, i’m somewhere between laughing my hole off and learning.

There is no way i use this place for anything more than a letting off steam vessel. The fact i picked up a few clients is a bonus.

those posts remind of a recipe for French Onion Soup.

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He missed players who point the boss of the hurley the wrong way, ie. if you’re a right handed player and put the ball on the hurley the boss generally points to the right, vice versa if you’re left handed.

Often noticeable in free taking situations - Joe Deane used to always point the boss the “wrong way”, ie. inward towards the goal, meaning he’d have to turn the hurley in his hands between the lift and the strike in order to get the boss the right way up. Although I can’t think of any off hand I’m sure there are some other players who do the same.

Good point. Also reminds of the players who point the toe in rather than out when soloing.

You appear to be very afraid of being wrong on this topic.

The kernel of the point I’ve made is that teams who are well prepared physically and/or mentally, badly prepared physically and/or mentally or whatever, engage in mind game shenanigans.

Some of these teams will go on to win, some of these teams will go on to lose.

There is no hard and fast law that such teams are well prepared, badly prepared or whatever, there is no hard and fast law such teams will win or lose, what is obvious however is that people will generally read too much into these things, in the media’s case because they have column inches or broadcast time to fill, or in the case of “experts” with a vested interest in constructing a narrative, because they want to justify whatever they do on a day to day basis.

My other, linked point (which has also been well made by @TheUlteriorMotive is that narratives are often constructed retrospectively from the result based on certain such incidents. I’ve given an example of two identical incidents which were followed by different outcomes, and low and behold, directly opposite narratives were constructed retrospectively, entirely due to the results.

I don’t know what your assertion that “life was very different 15 years ago” has to do with anything.

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You actually agree with alot of what i say.

Last line - preperation has changed. Stresses outside the game have changed. That all matters.

I think you mean to say “you agree with a lot of what I say”.

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There is actually no right ir wrong here. Its opinion and in my case some educated experienced guessing.

Because thats all we are all at. Thats why surprises hapoen

Cavan started the fight mate.

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Ah yes, the common Irish affliction of being a Know It All.

The opposite in fact. But if you actuallly read what i say you would realise i don’t think i know it at all, at all.

@caoimhaoin your fear of not being wrong is your downfall as you seem to believe everything you say is right. They are not the same things.

My downfall.

On an internet forum.

Full of accountants and IT bluffers.

:joy::joy::joy::joy:

Excuse yourself you cunt.

@caoimhaoin 's confrontational and “my way is the only way” persona might have short term benefits and some initial successes but it won’t be sustainable and he’ll ultimately fall out with his charges. There’s a touch of the Stuart Pearces about him.

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Just giving you a bit of friendly advice buddy. You have been coming across as a raving lunatic the last while. The delusions of grandeur are astounding. You sound like a client I work with who has severe mental health issues. When I suggested he see a psychiatrist he told me he was a very intelligent man and knew more than any psychiatrist in the country. He also told me he is well known and highly regarded by people all over the country. Remind you of anyone !

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Pat Hickey

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And…

It would be such an Irish thing to do by not admitting to your weakness, pal.

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Confident guys are well aware of their weaknesses. Wasnt it Socrates who said, “I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing.”