They were nowhere near winning. Their legs were gone by mid way thru 2nd half and they didnāt have the squad.
By their own admission they were rubbish the rest of the championship
I donāt think you have much of an idea into what makes dublin so good.
They were nowhere near winning in 2015 with Cian OāNeill involved.
That would still be more of an idea than you have.
Obviously. But you brought him up in the context of extra players COāN has available to him. Until heās actually available, its fairly dumb to be using him as evidence of OāNeill having a better pick to explain the upswing in results.
For the record, I think both you and @caoimhaoin are wrong on Kildare past and present. And would you look, both arguments ye put forward are framed neatly into the stupid overarching idealogical feud ye have.
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You caught him bluffing, plain and simple.
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Wrong, i have held the following opinions on Kimdare for a long time.
- Had a decent squad when McGeeney was there. His bullshit brought them a little bit but ultimately his bluffing got undone.
- they had a downward spiral shortly after due to numerous reasons including the deflation mentally and injury hangover he left, but also timing and age profile and the also deflating news of good young players pissing off one after another.
- i think CON now has a decent squad and it will take 2 years to make them really competitive. I think he has the tools to do it technically. He has a good delivery and is a good speaker and will always have a plan. Is he always believable and totally likeable? Thats questionable. But that may not matter. Was Alex ferguson???
And give us your opinion rather than sitting on the fence
When Galway beat Kildare tomorrow it will set them back years.
He does have a better pick though and having a guy like Hurley who it is very possible later on in the year would be a further boost.
He has been part of the squad under OāNeill and OāNeill has pretty much stated heāll be back in when he regains fitness so itās not a dumb idea. He has players back that had not been available under the previous management and Kildare have been doing relatively well at underage levels in the past 5/6 years now so I think a reasonable expectation would be Kildare getting to the last 8 and being able to put it up to any side. A lot of these guys are now well established county players like Cribbin, Moolick, Kelly etc and he still has lads there who were part of the McGeeney era in Bolton, Smith, Peter Kelly and Ollie Lyon so there is every reason to expect Kildare to be doing much better than they did at Championship level last season.
Unless you think Kildareās Championship performances were acceptable last year?
I agree. Galway are weird like that. Theyāll probably go on the piss and end up fighting each other.
On reflection you could be right
Why donāt you just admit you used the wrong guy.
McGeeney had Johnny Doyle.
Yes, he had Earley and Doyle and little else and he nearly had them in an All Ireland final.
Is Smith still on the panel?
Just came across this online, didnāt see it before?
McGeeney was a very good manager for Kildare, and took a good group of players to the limit of their capabilities. Before he took over Kildare hadnāt reached the quarter finals of the championship since the qualifier structure was introduced, and his first yeat saw a run of 5 consecutive last 8 appearances begin. He brought them to the brink of an All Ireland Final in 2010, won Division 2 of the league and had them in the Div 1 semis in his final year. For a county that had nothing going for it after Crofton, that is definitely a successful tenure, one that he and the players wanted to continue.
I think OāNeill is doing a good job. Two consecutive promotions back to Division 1 achieved, with a promising young team playing quality attacking football. Last years Championship was about what you could expect given the overhaul required after Jason Ryan, and while disappointing, wasnāt as the disaster that @Nembo_Kid would like to paint it.
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You tell me what a 1 point win over Wexford who had a free to level it at the death, a defeat to Westmeath and a game over and done with at HT against Mayo was?
I would call it a disaster.
What did the overhaul from Ryan require? He had good player become available again after Ryan left. Feeley returned from soccer, Hurley and Flynn were back from AFL. They didnāt really seem to lose, to my knowledge and I accept youāll have a better grasp, any big players. The fact is a lot of their better players like Cribbin, Moolick and Kelly will now be entering the peak years of their career for OāNeill.
They should be targeting a Leinster final and a competitive showing there and an All Ireland QF appearance this year.
You try so hard, but youāre not trying hard enough.
Just because McGeeny did more than the guy before him does not make him good. It was davy Fitz like. Run them hatd, build a tribe mentality and set them up well after a year or so but then think tepeat tepeat repeat is the answer is one major flaw. The other was complete tactical inepitude. When plan A failed everything went to shit. He also is only able to deal with type A personalities and used alot of the enda mcnulty rubbish.
However we agrer on 2 out of 3 points. I think Jason Ryan was handed a broken team and the worst squad out of the 4 managers mentioned.