2023 Champions League - Round of Two - The Final - Istanbul Beckons

If youā€™re genuinely interested in a club, being interested in what they are, their history and what the local community is is important.

Liverpool have much more of a compelling story than Manchester United in recent decades in that Liverpool fell behind the game and retained elements of ye olde Football League club while Manchester United ruthlessly monetised themselves and it was mainly success all the way for them. Liverpoolā€™s lack of consistent success but regular near misses is why Liverpool supporters remain fanatical. Liverpool is a much more interesting club to follow.

Liverpoolā€™s story in recent decades has been one of huge underachievement pock marked by occasional glorious and unexpected successes, but has also been coloured irrevocably by Hillsborough, and that has irrevocably shaped the club and the city of Liverpool and how fans of the club should and do think in a general life sense. Overall, thereā€™s a romance to Liverpoolā€™s story which makes them more compelling than any other club in English football. Manchester United had that air of romance about them for a long time because of the Busby Babes but it has declined in recent decades.

Thereā€™s no romance at all attached to ā€œManchester Cityā€ and their petrodollars fuelled rise, theyā€™re a horrific lab experiment of what happens when despotic state power buys something they have no connection to and transforms it into the death star. ā€œManchester Cityā€ is totally divorced from what Manchester City as a club used to be 20 or 30 years ago. Liverpool still remains largely the same club, even Manchester United does to a large extent.

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Amazing how Liverpool fans live to leave Heysel out of their story.

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Thereā€™s a reason most of the prominent Irish TikTokers and ā€œcholesterol brothersā€ are Liverpool fans.

Be great if inter won and we could call him Fraudiola again

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In Germany he was called Frau Diola

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Be hillarious if the Arabs bought Liverpool and Man Utd. The back tracking would be immense.

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Iā€™d be gutted anyway. Iā€™d say Iā€™d just start following Roma.

Keep away from Roma!

It would be hilarious if you live your life exclusively through Twitter.

In reality, football clubs and football in general are supposed to be a public good, not a plaything of infinitely wealthy despots. The real owners and curators of clubs are supposed to be local communities and the clubs are supposed to be things which are accessible to local communities and serve as a genuine rallying point for local and regional pride.

That goes for Liverpool, Manchester United and indeed the former Manchester City and Newcastle United. The Premier League was ultimately a disastrous thing for English football and football in general because it was the key change which concentrated wealth and pulled the rug up not just from other English clubs but from other leagues. Leveraged buyouts by the Glazers and Hicks and Gillet being allowed to proceed was a disgrace, then the buying out of clubs by human rights abusing petro state regimes as happened with the former Manchester City and former Newcastle United and PSG as well as Chelsea was an even bigger disgrace. That concentration of wealth and the political implications it has for advancing the interests of despots is a moral shame on the game and on the sportā€™s governance and the UK and other Governments which permitted it to happen.

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UEFA are some crowd to not learn from previous mistakes.

The Liverpool fans klopp told to book tickets last year must have shown up

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UEFA must have got Paddy Cosgrave in to organise crowd control.

I hope the Liverpool fans donā€™t start anything

Itā€™s the quietest build up to a champs lge final that I can remember. The game is gone , City have sucked the life out of it .

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Lovely segment with the Jamessss (Richardson and Horncastle) sipping a coffee in Milan and chatting football.

Iā€™d be done with it all myself too, tbh.

Enjoy the night guys. Whatever will be will be. This is a night filled with great potential for those legacy City fans on the forum like @Bandage and @Little_Lord_Fauntleroy

I doubt any of you would begrudge us long suffering guys what could be tonight

God bless