2025 Irish Presidential Election. CC or HH - Woke WINS

Ff and FG are like the current Liverpool, there to be beaten. What kind of party could do it? Surely if you ripped it up to start again it would be easy. A party seen as left leaning without being woke softies like current labour.

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They’ll likely be beaten next time because they no longer have a mudguard like the Greens or Labour and because they’ve been in for so long, particularly FG. This time FF and FG are the mudguard of the crank independents, who are teflon. FF and FG don’t understand social media, though social media is admittedly inherently rigged against parties like them.

What Irish voters really want and have always wanted is a sort of social democracy with a rabble rousing populist (but at the same time not too threatening) nationalist edge. Haugheyism. This has been the direction Sinn Fein have been heading in for decades.

When Martin goes as FF leader in at latest 18 months time, possibly much sooner, Jim O’Callaghan will replace him and move in a much more anti-immigrant direction. It likely won’t work out very well for FF. They’ll be faking it. It isn’t the DNA of the party to go after immigrants in an aggressive way.

Sinn Fein are still trying to play the two stools and keep the anti-immigrant nutters on board. Mary Lou McDonald was trying to virtue signal to the fascist nutcases on Twitter this week in order to keep areas like Tallaght “onside”.

That could sort of work in the short term if the circumstances are “right” for it to work, ie. if the governing party/parties have been in forever and people want rid, as is increasingly the case here now and was the case in the run up to the last UK election, but when you get into government, it becomes a noose around your neck. Labour have found that out. You become the party of government and the anti-immigrant nutters who voted for you because you were the obvious alternative then drift away to far right parties and the greater part of your vote who are more centre/left leaning get disillusioned with you chasing the far right dragon.

What Sinn Fein will do when they get into power, and I expect them to lead the next government, is to push the united Ireland issue relentlessly. They’ll do this to try and keep their support. In the process they’ll make a united Ireland less likely.

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It would be very silly to change the government when we live in such a brilliant and rich country

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RTE being anti-SF since they started taking seats in the Dáil in the modern era, is FF/FG’s biggest weapon, because outrageous RTE salaries are dependent on the government. If SF manage to get in, even for one term…RTE’s reversal in attitude is something I’m going to order a case of popcorn to amusingly witness. If there was no overnight reversal, I could see SF completely gut their funding, which would be hilarious.

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Yeah, that’s a good post. If SF had any idea what they were doing they’d have been in Government long ago,

They need some serious political advice in the background to make it to the next level because they don’t seem to know what they are doing.

How they handled their “game changer” decision this time out being the most recent example.

SDLP….

RTE being perceived to be pro-FF/FG is beginning to turn into a major liability to FF/FG, not a benefit.

Ireland is not like Britain. The traditional media in this country do not have anywhere near the power they do in Britain to influence opinion in terms of voting. Irish media has to keep a brake on things even if some sections particularly the Indo group would love to go full Daily Telegraph.

But this new emerging internet-based headbanging partisan media and social media is turning people increasingly feral. People like the hyper-partisan shite, not real journalism.

RTE and the media (and they have many faults) are now used as a punching bag by morons in the same way referees are abused by angry GAA supporters. Because they’re easy targets.

If Sinn Fein defund RTE once they get into government because RTE don’t suddenly become a propaganda outlet for Sinn Fein, that is not a good thing, it’s a very bad thing. Democracies require good public service broadcasting, not Orban style propaganda.

The decline of the BBC has been tragic. It has happened overwhelmingly because right wing politics (and the right-wing aping current Labour government) took the conscious decision that the idea of a genuine public service broadcaster was THE ENEMY. They put their people in to lower the standard and then the public perceive the BBC to be of less value and hop on the “kick the BBC” bandwagon. The ultimate aim of this is to abolish the BBC and replace it with a hellscape of partisan media which will inevitably be heavily right wing biased. Run down the institution deliberately in order to make it fail and then the public won’t object when you get rid of it. The same process is being carried out on the NHS. Once you deliberately undermine an instution that has a trusted reputation for objectivity and quality, you can’t ever get that trust back.

We don’t need that shit in this country from any source and if Sinn Fein start attacking RTE, which I’ve no doubt they will, these are Tory/Orbanist/Trumpist tactics.

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The BBC is highly woke.

This is a view based on paranoid fantasy (the BBC is anything but “woke”) and the fact you use “woke” as a pejorative marks you out as another standard issue turgid right wing troll fuckwit.

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Ah lovely, you’re alright when you’re pissing in these cunts bovril

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Agree with all points, however I would add my opinion that RTE does not hold a trusted reputation for objectivity and quality.

So if you think RTE doesn’t, who does?

Having a commie in the Aras will be fun to watch.

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What kind of fun things will happen would you say)

Will they call Trump a gowl?

I’m hoping she’ll turn the phoenix Park into allotments or small holdings.

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Is she anything to Fr. Fintan Stack?

On the eve of presidential polling day, a last-minute bid for a High Court judicial review of the nomination process has been refused permission to proceed, after the court found Dr Cora Stack’s case made “entirely baseless” and “unstateable” claims.

Dr Stack, a maths lecturer, had sought permission to challenge what she termed the “unlawful blocking” by political parties of her and other Independent candidates from contesting the election, which she said turned it into a “complete farce”.

Dr Stack took the action against the Attorney General, the State, the Minister for Local Government and Heritage, the Presidential Returning Officer and TĂĄnaiste Simon Harris.

At the High Court on Thursday, Mr Justice Mark Heslin rejected Dr Stack’s submission that the nomination process was “unconstitutional, unfair and undemocratic and contrary to the express and implied provisions of Bunreacht na hÉireann”.

Dr Stack also sought a declaration that the “direction of Tánaiste Simon Harris instructing all Fine Gael councillors nationwide to block independent candidates from being nominated was unlawful and unconstitutional”.

She had sought an injunction requiring the nomination process to be conducted “fairly, lawfully and constitutionally” and requested an order restraining the State respondents from “proceeding with the current defective process”.

The process demands that aspiring candidates must secure nominations from either 20 members of the Oireachtas or the support of four local authorities.

Mr Justice Heslin said Dr Stack’s complaint that she could not access 20 Oireachtas nominations was “not arguable” as she had not put forward any evidence before the court of her efforts to do so. He noted that there were also more than 20 Independent TDs in the Oireachtas that could have provided her with a route to nomination.

He said Dr Stack had not provided evidence of “even the most basic matters” and that there was no evidence that a single councillor had either proposed or seconded her.

Mr Justice Heslin said that Dr Stack’s claim that councils curtailing potential candidates’ presentations to “five minutes” was a denial of fair opportunity could not be laid at the door of the named respondents because it was entirely up to each council to make provisions regarding the scheduling and running of meetings.

The judge noted that no councils were named as respondents.

Dr Stack had further submitted that multiple council meetings were “convened simultaneously on 15 September 2025 making attendance impossible”.

Mr Justice Heslin said Dr Stack’s assertion that the “unprecedented clustering” [of council meetings] on September 22nd, 2025, pointed to “orchestration by central authorities” was entirely baseless.

He said that the fact that Dr Stack was only able to attend two council meetings did not breach her rights or break the law. He added that to say any wrongdoing occurred in this regard was an “unstateable” proposition.

He said if Dr Stack believed she was championing the sovereignty of the people, “in substance, the applicant’s claim utterly ignores the will of the people as currently expressed in the Constitution and in statute”.

The judge said Dr Stack was seeking a change in the law “so as to make it easier for her to secure a nomination”.

Mr Justice Heslin said that any reform to the nomination process was a political matter to be decided by the people and their elected representatives and this would have to be approved in a referendum.

He said the courts did not have the power to make law as its role was to “interpret and administer” the law.

Mr Justice Heslin then refused the application for leave for the review and awarded costs to the State, which was represented by Francis Kiernan BL.

Listening to Anton Savage there on whether Heather can hold her head high. She gave it a go, didn’t really offend anyone and hasn’t lost anything. She never really fired a shot till it was too late. She can go back to what is probably a very nice life now. I liked the way she acknowledged that she wasn’t a good performer on camera and a bit more raw honesty would’ve been endearing. Connolly looks set to make the role interesting at least.

It’s a tough old game. I was thinking of running for public office myself and starting a Footix Party with the goal of the major Irish city teams joining the English football pyramid. Seeing what happened to Jim Gavin has given me pause for thought and I may now remain in the shadows, especially with the country heading towards Communism. Bringing the Footix and League of Ireland supporters together would almost be as significant as The Good Friday Agreement.

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This whole eligiblity to run thing is a bit like the offside rule. You have to draw the line somewhere and there will always be someone just the wrong side of it. Why was there so many in the last few elections and so few on this one I wonder. Did all the dragons denners get 20 nominations?

They all went the county council route last time and in 2011 also, this time the councils wouldn’t nominate anyone.