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Omar didn’t even mention Israel by name when she said what she’s getting smeared over.

But here’s the thing: AIPAC is specifically a lobby group for Israel which toes the Israeli government line. It’s literally stating an obvious truth to say that it and other pro-Israel lobby groups have an allegiance to Israel, the same as Irish-American lobby groups have an allegiance to Ireland.

Michael Flynn was a Turkish agent, for FFS, and the current US President as well as a load of his other cronies are widely and credibly believed to be working at the very least under the significant influence of Russia.

And in US everyday discourse, people refer to themselves as Irish or Italian or Pole or whatever.

This tweet and the two reactions to it cover a key point. Jewish opinion re Israel is diverse, and not homogenous. To class it as such, as those who seek to stereotype do, is very dangerous. And much of the US’s pro-Israel lobby and support base is not Jewish at all, but evangelical or other - the evangelicals tend to be fanatical in their support for Israel.

https://twitter.com/BretStephensNYT/status/1102304158684712960

Juan Vargas’s tweet which I linked to above but will here again for clarity purposes, demonstrates her point.

How can questioning in any way the US’s current unconditional support for Israel be unacceptable, especially given that it is an apartheid regime?

This is ridiculous authoritarianism and a serious threat to public discourse.

If you don’t believe me that Israel is an apartheid regime, believe Peter Beinart.

And look at their treatment of Ethiopian Jews.

Omar has herself been the target of disgraceful racist abuse which portrays her as having primary loyalty to Islam, such as the poster in the West Virginia Capitol building I linked to above, and this tweet by Jewish journalist Julia Ioffe, which was later deleted.

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In that first tweet you reference, the one about “the Benjamins” Omar is guilty of a stupid choice of words, although clearly linked to the common phrase and the fact the Netanyahu is Israel’s PM, and she has apologised.

But this is not about anti-Semitism - as the litany of examples of anti-Semitism which get a free pass shows - it’s about taking down anybody in US or UK politics who doesn’t toe an unconditionally pro-Israel line, and if her Islamic faith can be used to demonise her even more, then so much the better for those who want to take her down and banish her from US politics.

And here’s more “acceptable” anti-Semitism:

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Look mate, I understand you are distraught about the possibility of dear leader Jeremy not ascending to the PM throne, but he really has himself to blame.

The facts are he called Hamas and Hezbollah “our friends”, not his friends but included everyone in the UK. Now I know there’s a fair bit of pro-Palestinian support in Europe, but that’s going a bit far. Standing at the graves of the PLO leaders was foolish as well. But worst of all was his suggestion that Jews living in Britain weren’t really British, didn’t really get the British thing whatever that is. He’s a moron mate, and simply displays no common sense.

Other than that you still don’t get it. You can’t apply how Europeans see Israel to the US, it’s pretty much the opposite. You speak of pro-Israel as if it’s a bad thing, most Americans see it as a good thing. Therein lies the problem for Democrats and why they are taking swift action, as since 1992, in most presidential elections 80% of Jewish Americans vote Democratic. That dropped in 2012 and 2016 to 70% as Obama was not seen as a friend of Israel. Which also hurt Hillary in 2016.

The line in the sand for Jewish Americans is support for the state of Israel to exist and support for the state of Israel to defend itself. Leftists in Europe don’t agree with those sentiments, nor do a small cabal now in the Democratic party. If the latter are not reigned in, they will cost the Democratic nominee the election in 2020.

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Benjamins means money mate, Benjamin Franklin is on the $100 bill. You simply cannot give her a pass for that blatant economic antisemitism.

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That’s a lie.

This is bizarre nonsense. It literally makes no sense.

Israel is an apartheid state.

A majority of Americans may see it as a good thing because US media coverage is so hilariously biased in favour of Israel.

The reason for this is the powerful Israel lobby, which exerts massive infuence over politics and media, as it does in the UK.

Stuff like this.

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She apologised.

You’ve given Trump a completely free pass for years for an absolute litany of way, way worse stuff for which he has never, ever apologised for.

And pretty much the whole of the US right does it. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

And some of those who are pro-Israel commit outright anti-semitism themselves despite claiming to be fighting it.

I’ve given a load examples above.

Euan Philipps, Siobhan McDonagh, Tom Bower, Ben Shapiro, Bret Stephens.

Henry Olsen is another one. A supporter of Argentina’s anti-semitic military junta in the 1970s where Jews made up 12% of the victims of that regime while making up under 1% of the population.

Good to see AOC calling out her fellow Democrat.

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It is antisemitic to refer to Israel as an apartheid state. Every citizen of the state of Israel is subject to the same laws, which are largely secular and not sharia unlike their neighbors. The occupied territories can be argued as such, but there are no Jews there so apartheid is hardly the appropriate term.

Every other state in the Middle East however is an apartheid state, and much worse. Where would you prefer to live if you were a homosexual, Israel or Gaza or Iran where you would face execution? How about a Christian? or an Atheist?

European views towards Israel are insane, as Israel is the single example of close to a secular democracy in the Middle East, a hope for the future. Leftists nutters would much prefer to see a caliphate though, very odd. How do you reconcile support for Hamas when you are supporting actual Nazis who would slaughter every Jew, Christian, atheist, homosexual, gypsy, etc if they could. It’s simply madness.

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Back on topic, it was remarkable even by her own standards to see a smirking teresa may on tge news last night denying that the increase in knife crime had any link at all to the drop in police numbers.
I despise her utterly.

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No it isn’t. Next.

You’ve just classed yourself as a Muslim hater according to your own criteria.

Eh, right.

You’ve just classed an entire continent as insane.

Thanks for that.

Oh, and not a peep out of you on any of the points I raised last night.

Quelle surprise.

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https://youtu.be/Nq4tou50Iq8

Are these Richard Keys “dark forces” or…?

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Really? It doesn’t come across like that in your posts???

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Here’s a European attitude to Israel you can get behind.

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Would Mr. Yaxley-Lennon be calling for the UK to strip him of his citizenship in the hypothetical event that he did?

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A 21st c. crusade … @anon7035031 the Lion-heart to the fore.

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He fancies her really…

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So just to summarize your position, you regard Israel as an apartheid state and describe the label of apartheid in Muslim states in the ME as hatred. So, let’s examine it and expose the insanity of the left.

There are 20% or close to 2 million Arabs in the state of Israel, most of whom are Muslim. Arabs in the state of Israel are subject to the same laws as Jews, including voting in democratic elections and electing the members to the Knesset. The standard of living of Arabs as a whole in Israel if very high compared to neighboring countries, and increasing. I wouldn’t say Israel is a fair society but to call it apartheid is simply insane, especially when you consider how Arabs are treated within Israel compared to minorities in Muslim states.

Contrast this with Muslim majority states in the ME and define apartheid however you like, based on race, religion, gender, etc. How are Jews treated in Muslim majority countries, or Christians for that matter? How are women treated in Muslim majority countries? How are homosexuals treated in Muslim majority countries? Do women get to vote in Muslim majority countries as all women do in Israel?

The problem leftists have is their sole “cause” in the Middle East is the Palestinian question and they turn a blind eye to the oppression and subjugation of minorities in Muslim countries. In fact any condemnation of Muslim apartheid is labelled as hate speech, as if executing gays or stoning women to death for adultery is somehow acceptable behavior.

You and your fellow nutters consume endless hours every week ranting against Israel (but you’re not antisemitic), while devoting zero time to the appalling treatment of all minorities in Muslim countries. It’s a morally bankrupt position.

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I just took a quick skim read through that, saw you didn’t address a single point I made, and just ranted on with Fox News “talking points”.

Come back when you actually have something to say, other than regurgitating what some pro-Israel loonball says.

Could be waiting a while…

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Sid, could you ever set up another thread for this endless loop, so i can ignore it?

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I’d suggest just putting @anon7035031 on ignore.

Or at least all his posts should come with a live stream of Fox News attached.

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The two boys are drawn to each other, its incredible to watch once you don’t let it get to you all that much.