nigel dejong
Correct-and possibly arrested. Roy Keane said it was a definite red and I have no reason to believe that he has an axe to grind with Sir Alex.
Right. At least youâre consistent. I wonder how many people would agree with you on that. Not many Iâd suspect. I donât recall Roy Keane making any comment about the Rooney goal by the way.
The sending off does open up the argument that other incidents that regularly occur in matches could be deemed to be âdangerous playâ and thus worthy of a red card. Like Diego Lopez giving Vidic a clip in the jaw when he missed his attempted punch clear from a corner, as Mullach Ide mentioned earlier. A red card and a penalty for that so?
Mullach Ide is a Man Utd fan and everything he says on the matter must be qualified with that in mind.
Is Keane aware that that isnât physically possible?
It is a grey area, similar to the debate we had about handball and AC Milanâs first goal against Barcelona a few weeks ago and whether it was deliberate or not. I donât think Rafaelâs handball last night was deliberate but how many times have we seen penalties given for very similar incidents.
The fact of the matter is that in the modern game you simply cannot afford to tackle with your studs up or over the ball or you do run the risk of being sent off. The same logic applied to last night, Nani while he may have intended to play the ball both his feet were off the ground, his right foot was above his hip with the studs showing and had no control over it, it was reckless and shows a lack of due consideration for an opponent. By the same token there are ofetn plenty of well timed two footed tackles but again it is far harder to control a two footed tackle as both legs are off the ground and the player doesnât have control. Similar logic applies to headers and lads using their arms as leverage, to get a better jump or hold off an opponent and if their forearm/elbow make contact with the opponent regardless of intent you run the risk of getting a red card as well.
Sid you are a pillar of common sense. Hence you wonât have many agreeing you on here.
One half of the Juventus Stadium pitch has been relaid and is in pristine condition and the other half is a complete mess. It all seems a bit bizarre.
Thatâs not what Keane said- Far from it. If you are going to propell yourself into the air like that you should be aware of what is immediately around you as if you miss the ball and nearly kill a poor chap like Arbeloa you run the risk of being sent off for reckless play. In relation to bicycle kicks, the same rules apply, if you miss the ball and connect with a players head and again nearly kill the poor chap the referee can send you off, tho it is highly unlikely⌠Essentially, it is down to how the ref interprets the situation, which is why it is such a wonderful game. I mean look at Anfield earlier this year, both Johnny Evans and Shelvey launch into a tackle (Evans two footed, Shelvey with one) but because Jonjo made contact, he gets the road, even tho Evansâ was probably more dangerous⌠Utd, go on to win a game they were being battered in but justice was done apparently becuase Shelvey made contact.
[quote=âchewy louie, post: 745055, member: 1137â]It is a grey area, similar to the debate we had about handball and AC Milanâs first goal against Barcelona a few weeks ago and whether it was deliberate or not. I donât think Rafaelâs handball last night was deliberate but how many times have we seen penalties given for very similar incidents.
The fact of the matter is that in the modern game you simply cannot afford to tackle with your studs up or over the ball or you do run the risk of being sent off. The same logic applied to last night, Nani while he may have intended to play the ball both his feet were off the ground, his right foot was above his hip with the studs showing and had no control over it, it was reckless and shows a lack of due consideration for an opponent. By the same token there are ofetn plenty of well timed two footed tackles but again it is far harder to control a two footed tackle as both legs are off the ground and the player doesnât have control. Similar logic applies to headers and lads using their arms as leverage, to get a better jump or hold off an opponent and if their forearm/elbow make contact with the opponent regardless of intent you run the risk of getting a red card as well.[/quote]
I take your points, pal. I can understand why a red card was shown as the relevant law mentions âdangerous playâ and nothing about intent. It just seems harsh because of the absence of that intent (I donât think he was aware of Arbeloa approaching) and the fact that, if the ball is going through the air in front and away from you at that height, the best/only way to get it under control is to try to do so with your boot off the ground in a kind of jumping motion like Naniâs.
What about justice for the 96 Paulie-was that done?
So rather than make an instinctive reaction to play bring the ball under control in the air immediately in front of you, you should stop and see if another player intends to run into that space from your blind side, as Arbeloa did, first?
The Diego Lopez - Vidic clash referenced earlier is here (after the ad at any rate):
Like I say it is a grey area and I have some sympathy for Nani but he caught a player in the ribs with his studs when he was off the ground and one of his feet well above his hip. If a ball bounced in front of Nani and he ran onto it to control it with an outstretched leg but Arbeloa came from his blind side and Nani was half a second late and caught Arbeloa with his studs with the same force across the upper thigh or midrift it would more than likely be a sending off as well as it would be seen as reckless despite it being an attempt to play the ball
Go way you dope-Itâs not like he merely stuck his foot out, he ran and jumped in the air kung-fu style, by being so reckless and making contact with the player instead of the ball he gave the ref the opportunity to send the player off. Thatâs what Roy said, and iâd agree with him. You canât launch yourself kung fu style in the air, hit an opponent and not expect to suffer the consequnces. On another night it could have been yellow and all the talk would have been how lucky he was to stay on the field. But it was red and maybe a little harsh but he has no grounds for redress, it was his own stupidity.
Iâll box the head off ya if you keep going you cunt.
Wahey! 
youd think after munich that united players would be a bit more cautious before they went into the air