Cork weirdo/sicko thread

[tallback]

I hope you’re hopping balls for the craic because for a normally composed and intelligent poster you’re really making inane arguments on this.

I won’t bother answering your first point because it’s stupid and does you a disservice.

To your second, no GAA games shouldn’t be discommoded. It’s their stadium and that’s it’s primary use. Similarly a reasonable commercial rate should be charged for usage by other sports/events.

[anon61956325]

[Gman]

I dont think that just because EU/state funding went into a particular project should automatically mean that the entirety of that project should be left available and free for anyone to take at any time. PUC has corporate and entertainment facilities that would be far more useful to groups/events that is open and available to other groups.

But just because one particular sport gets a grant for funding should not necessarily mean that another sport can ride roughshod and get those same facilities. Whether that be soccer wanting to use a gaa pitch, or visa versa or any other sport who just want to use a pitch of some ground.

Despite the above, PUC should be let be used for this game. As long as the majority of proceeds are for charity, I’d have zero issue whatsoever with it being used and it should be used. @tallback also made the point about the size of the ground and no need for another of that size should be built just for a different sport and that is 100% correct. Municipal stadiums should be the norm here for such a small country. It will never happen but there is an awful waste of funding and space used for stadiums with other ones in the vicinity for different sports who cant use it. Some bit of forward thinking was needed, however that would never happen here.

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Little_Lord_Fauntleroy

Gga can’t rent out aviva mate. There are no rules in place to stop them. Are you saying the gga should be allowed break the terms of the grant

Post up the terms of the Grant there bucko

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

Post up the terms of the grant which are stated in the article I posted ?

[Julio_Geordio]

@tallback

I hope you’re hopping balls for the craic because for a normally composed and intelligent poster you’re really making inane arguments on this.

I won’t bother answering your first point because it’s stupid and does you a disservice.

To your second, no GAA games shouldn’t be discommoded. It’s their stadium and that’s it’s primary use. Similarly a reasonable commercial rate should be charged for usage by other sports/events.

Sure we have to pass the time someway.

For what it’s worth I think the individual GAA clubs or in this case county boards should be free to use their facilities as they see fit. I think the rule prohibiting that will be lifted at the next congress, and not before time. If that means they want to host a charity soccer match then off they go, however if that means they want to tell the soccer crowd to go fuck themselves then that’s their prerogative too.
This is basically a freak event, Cork city has no need, nor no desire for a stadium bigger than 7,000 for soccer or indeed rugby. If they did I’d be all for the state helping with funding it.

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

Do you think the gga should meet the terms of the grant?

[anon61956325]

what are the terms?

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Little_Lord_Fauntleroy

Post up the terms of the grant which are stated in the article I posted ?

Yes.

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

Bumped

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Little_Lord_Fauntleroy

Bumped

Try again

[Julio_Geordio]

@Little_Lord_Fauntleroy

Are you saying the gga should be allowed break the terms of the grant

The GAA would happily rent out the Páirc to any sport that desires it and is willing to pay a fair rent. Said sport just has to put in an application which would go before the annual congress for review.

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

Lolz

[tallback]

@Julio_Geordio

@tallback

I hope you’re hopping balls for the craic because for a normally composed and intelligent poster you’re really making inane arguments on this.

I won’t bother answering your first point because it’s stupid and does you a disservice.

To your second, no GAA games shouldn’t be discommoded. It’s their stadium and that’s it’s primary use. Similarly a reasonable commercial rate should be charged for usage by other sports/events.

For what it’s worth I think the individual GAA clubs or in this case county boards should be free to use their facilities as they see fit. I think the rule prohibiting that will be lifted at the next congress, and not before time. If that means they want to host a charity soccer match then off they go, however if that means they want to tell the soccer crowd to go fuck themselves then that’s their prerogative too.

That’s where we disagree. My view is that if you put your paw out to get taxpayers money then you forfeit that right. You don’t discommode yourself and you can charge for it, but you can’t just implement a blanket ban on essentially latent political grounds.

As an aside, the rule imho is an embarrassment to the GAA and makes them out to be bigots in a way that the vast majority of GAA members aren’t. Most Irish people indulge in all sports now, either as participants or spectators, and either way we should be encouraging more sport (and more funding) for kids and adults alike.

[dodgy_keeper]

So refusing to lend out your facilities for free to every Tom, Dick and Harry as they so please makes you a bigot? Strange logic.

[Julio_Geordio]

Just so we are clear. GAA clubs should have to facilitate Soccer and Rugby but not the other way around because it’s not practical?

I’ve no problem with government funded pitches only being multi purpose but then any soccer club looking for a grant should have space for a GAA match too

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

Free?
They have bigoted rules

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

Any gga club can use football facilities

What are you on about?

All the clubs should now build smaller pitches

[Gman]

which terms are they not fulfilling? Remember, their facilities for corporate functions and their premium area catering/conference rooms are available to all sports and communities.

as per your own link:

The facilities of the PUíC stadium will also be made available to local communities for sports, cultural, and educational activities.”

According to the Irish authorities, the PUíC facilities will be open to various users on a non-discriminatory and transparent basis. As stated above, the CCB [Cork County Board] will rent out the PUíC’s facilities to third parties to organise sporting and other commercial events… This requirement will be included in the letter of offer for the proposed aid.

in both those criteria, it only mentions facilities. PUC clearly opens its facilities for all the needs mentioned above. The only mention of the pitch is:

Additionally, the PUíC stadium could be rented out to other field sports. According to Ireland, such requests have been extremely rare, but if required, such permissions could potentially be available for PUíC

Note the “could potentially” in that paragraph. Hugely ambiguous. It would seem to me that they are not doing anything whatsoever untoward with regards to the conditions set out in the grant aid.

But still, it should be opened up and as that point says, it is extremely rare. As @Julio_Geordio says, it will go to vote at the next congress and be removed I reckon.

[tallback]

Please quote where I said “free” or suggested unfettered access.