Why did Italy fuck this up so badly? Is it because of their inherited stupidity?
Why Gov didn’t close the airports 6/7 weeks earlier than they did. Ireland had all the advantages to suppress its spread as a small island on the west coast of Europe.
You started questioning what a forklift driver in Aughnacloy with no powers would have done in response. Absolutely bizarre.
Lads I am sure we can all agree that the horsey set fucked us.
Why didn’t Italy shut down in early February given they had their first cases January 31st? Why did they not shut down air travel to other countries given the place was riddled by mid February?
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Not at all Tim, you were the one with that brought the 3% figure in. There are obviously a variety of reasons that contribute to NZs’ success but one thing stands out and was something most countries introduced, travel restrictions. Ireland didn’t. Our refusal to do so surely has caused a number of cases, far more than 3% anyway if we are to compare with NZ’s figure.
Yes, you’re saying this now but you’re saying it in hindsight.
Questioning the intelligence of Munster people is amusing considering you pretend to be Italian on here and they must be the thickest cunts in Europe considering they fucked up the whole of Europe with it
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How did they fuck us?
Just agree and move on.
Wasn’t the issue that the Wuhan outbreak was seen to be more deadly, not withstanding serious under testing there?
This mutation- are we talking more infectious but less deadly?
But let’s say there’s two strains. We see evidence now that we had this in Europe in December now- a few weeks after the Chinese outbreak (most likely). Why didn’t that strain build up like the Wuhan one to causing a lot of deaths in January time in Europe? Mutates before it reaches that peak?
What countries in Europe implemented travel restrictions within Europe and when? Keeping in mind the virus arrived in Europe no later then late December, and Italy was riddled by early February.
I agree with travel restrictions by the way, the big mistake the US made was not shutting down travel from Europe when it shut down travel from China end of January.
You are just refusing to believe data, rather bizarrely so as well because if you just want to rabidly slate the Government, the nursing home clusters is an even greater one to which they have lots of damming stats about. 
More infectious could translate to more deadly at least in the short term, as it spread to the vulnerable population much more quickly. A more infectious strain would quickly replace a less infectious strain, the mutation probably emerged before the original strain had spread much in Europe.
Surely other countries should have been restricting air travel to and from Italy rather than the other way around.
Nobody is saying mistakes weren’t made in Italy.
What is being said is that Ireland had all the natural advantages to handle this a lot better.
I don’t know much about viral mutations other than they look to survive in their host.
Would climate be a factor in that? I know that the climate influences flu in particular, but is that not more to do with the level of infectiousness being spread rather than climate specific mutations?
Agreed that all western governments fucked it up, whether right leaning, left leaning, or centrist. Unless all travel was banned in late January, there was no hope of containing this.
Surely though the country that has the first major outbreak and deaths has some responsibility to prevent spread to other countries? This is the criticism of China, who restricted travel within their own borders, but not just allowed but resisted any attempts to limit travel to other countries.
Italy had the first serious experience of this virus in Europe and completely fucked up the response, both internally and by allowing the spread to other countries.
The reintroduction of border control is a prerogative of the Member States. The Commission may issue an opinion with regard to the necessity of the measure and its proportionality but cannot veto such a decision if it is taken by a Member State.
So even though Ireland is not part of the Schengen countries this appears to suggest that Ireland could have closed its borders. It chose not to. The EU doesn’t seem to frown upon closing borders cc @tallback, it actually seems to encourage it for Covid 19.
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Mutations just happen, the one’s that become more prevalent are the one’s that spread more quickly and do not kill their hosts quickly. The original SARS-2 virus had this combination, the paper from Los Alamos is saying the strain that started spreading in Europe in February is a lot more infectious. Maybe that explains the reported jump in R0 from the 2.25 reported in China to 4 or 5 claimed recently. It would also help to explain New York where the spread has been astonishing.
As I said nobody is defending Italy here but every country should be looking after their own people and Ireland, as a small island on the west coast of Europe - had all the advantages to curtail and stop this virus from spreading. They acted far, far too late.
Who knows where it hit in Europe first, possibly France, possibly Italy, maybe somewhere else but as soon as it came an issue and Italy was the first country in Europe it hit bad, then countries should have been locking down air travel. I don’t know how much difference it would have made on mainland Europe but air travel was the only way it could get into Ireland and spread.
I didn’t believe the 3% even before I heard the NZ figure of 70%.