Biological men or boys have no business competing against females in sport. 2/3 of Americans agree with this, so your claim that 2/3 of Americans are bigots is utter bullshit. The same 2/3 majority believe there should be no discrimination against trans people in education, the workplace, the military, etc. It is quite reasonable to hold both views, as I do.
DeSantis is one of the best governors in the US, you only hate him because he is a Republican. He’s also from a minority, so you are the bigot.
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You haven’t addressed my post.
Do you agree with what I wrote? If so, why?
I dislike De Santis because he’s a Trump loving gobshite, and being a Trump loving gobshite requires subscribing to a worldview which hates reality.
Fining cruise ship companies who require negative Covid tests would be a good example of this.
Wouldn’t it?
I disagree with your post and said why. Biological men and boys have no business competing in sports against females. That position is the same as 2/3 of Americans so is not bigoted.
You didn’t address it.
Republicans constantly complain about so called “government overreach”. You constantly do it.
Except in cases where right wing government can publicly slap down the vulnerable and powerless - and you can’t get much more vulnerable and powerless as a group than trans women.
Curious that.
What business has government in interfering with the rules of sport?
None, that’s what.
Biological men and boys have no business competing against women and girls in sport.
You are free to disagree.
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Also, by fining cruise ship companies which quite reasonably want to require negative Covid tests in order to be a passenger, De Santis is interfering in the rights of companies to do business as they see fit.
He’s interfering in the free market, in an actual instance where the free market is functioning as it should.
Another example of government overreach.
Government overreach as a dog whistle to anti-vaxxers and those who think Covid is a hoax.
You haven’t addressed my posts.
The issue of trans women in sport, whatever the level, is a complex one.
Governments generally do not interfere in the rules of sport. Why should they interfere in the rules of sport in this case?
And why are they doing so? They don’t interfere on, say, NFL offside laws.
This is not a matter for government. It’s a matter for the administrators of individual sports.
The reason De Santis is getting involved is to distract, by creating yet one more fake “culture war” issue. He’s trying to publicly humiliate trans people as a community. Throwing out some red meat for radicalised Republicans.
It’s pure politics of spectacle, ie. bullshit.
Wouldn’t you agree?
I disagree. It’s a clear case of discrimination. Government should get involved when there is clear discrimination. Biological males and boys have no business competing against females.
It seems to me the only people being discriminated against are trans people. Government has no business actively discriminating against trans people for the sheer hell of it - and it’s obvious that’s all it is. And it has no business in making the rules of sport.
If right-wing Americans were actually serious about not discriminating against people, wouldn’t they be actively campaigning for them to dress and carry themselves however they like? ie. if children and adults, of whatever sex or gender or whatever, want to wear dresses or trousers or wear their hair short or long and/or behave in ways that have been traditionally been considered stereotypical to one sex, that should be encouraged? Yes?
But right-wingers hate that too. They hate anything which is considered outside the stereotypical norm. So they pretend it “oppresses” them. When it does nothing of the sort.
The IAAF is one organisaion which has rules around the participation of transgender athletes. They are complicated and awkward. I’m not an expert on the subject of transgender participation in sport. But these kind of rules, flawed as they may be, awkward as they may be, would appear to me to be a good faith attempt by actual sporting administrators to deal with a complicated subject while maintaining the dignity of trans people while protecting sporting integrity. These administrators are in a much better position to make the rules for their sport than hateful right-wing politicians.
The deliberate, hateful and fraudulent impression created by right wing culture warrior charlatans is that there is some sort of epidemic of boys or men pretending to be girls or women purely so they can win at sport. There isn’t. It’s a fake moral panic.
Just call it what it is. An attempt by a dog whistling right-wing politician humiliate trans people, to denigrate them as “freaks”. This is exactly how government should not govern.
And it’s exactly what you’d expect from Republicans.
Biological males have no business competing against females.
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You’re using very loaded language there, aren’t you? Deliberately loaded language, it looks like to me.
Do you think there’s such a thing as trans people?
Why do the IAAF disagree with your assertion that trans women shouldn’t compete in women’s sports?
They would know more than you, surely? You would at least admit that?
Yes there are trans people. Trans women are biological males and trans men are biological females.
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Do you acknowledge trans women as women?
Should trans women compete with men?
Are people saying they should have no sport or only compete with other trans people?
Wasn’t there holy war a few years back regarding your wan that was hovering up medals like a Dyson on the women’s circuit and it turned out she was riddled with testosterone.
The issue in general seems a complicated one to which there are no easy answers. Thus I would suggest that it is imperative that the issue is handled very carefully by all to do with it, and with the utmost sensitivity. I would suggest that it is possible to both address the concept of sporting integrity while recognising the often very difficult human issues involved but that would require good faith engagement. It seems to me from the modicum I know about it that the IAAF is one organisation that has made a good faith attempt to balance the issues. They allow trans women to compete in women’s sport within certain quantifiable biological parameters.
I don’t see any good faith engagement by so called “populist” right wing politicians like De Santis on the issue. I only see an attempt to humiliate trans people and to whip up baseless fear and anger against them. It’s a proven but horrible formula to win votes and manipulate the news agenda to win votes. It’s the opposite of what we should want politics to be.
American right wingers love their freedoms so much they don’t want to share them with minorities
Kind of sums it up dont it? They’re walking oxymorons
Trans women are biological males who identify as female. They have every right to do so, and I would countenance no other discrimination against them based on their choice of gender, except for sports at all levels from young kids up to professional athletes. That should be determined by biology as biology imparts significant physical advantages to males, and female athletes of any age shouldn’t be required by law to compete with biological males. That’s my opinion, you are free to disagree.
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