Euro 2016 - Group Stage thread

Yes if you are bigger, more mature you are better so you go back more and turns into a virtuous circle. As against that the lack of adaptation of kids who are strong early in sports or school is interesting.

See it in my place when you put people in early twenties into an environment where their peers are at least as clever and some of them struggle with no longer being the brightest as they have been all along through school etc. Confidence gets shaken and they look to blame external factors and you are back to grit/resilience as a predictor of success

Nail on head. And we will see more of this due to mollie coddling of the neo-liberalist kids

Iā€™d say thatā€™s the, as you would say the, ā€˜gamechangerā€™.

Kev. Iā€™d like to argue about the month of birth but need more details. Hunger and desire has to be more defining

Anders Ericsson developed the concept of deliberate practice. I just finished reading his new book. Heā€™s a firm believer that ā€œtalentā€ is overrated and has a lot of data to back it up.

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No, if you give a kid with physical advantages (which is significant in 9-16 age bracket) of a few months more growth, more praise, more confidence, better coaching (elite develooment squads etc) , specific coaching, special decelooment programs etc he is at a massive advantage.

The stats are glaring. The recent u-19 euro championships had a remarkable slant to early months. Gladwell gives some excellent examples of elite teams.

Btw, hunger and desire are absolutely critical, 100% agree. But they can be fostered differently by parents, environment etc

Can resilience be learned or improved by practice, or is it innate or only capable of being fostered in youth?

It can be learned at any time. Ideally we should teach kids how to handle not being successful or the best etc before we teach them how to be successful

Resilience can be learned by training people to change now they view events that are difficult or traumatic

Martin Seligman is grandfather of resilience training

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fascinatingā€¦thanks pal

Parental support is a big factor as well.

You have to be born in Limerick. We get knocked down, we get up again.

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Matthew syed is a bit of a dick, who somehow equivalates a parlour game (table tennis) with proper sport.
You need to train and practise, but you canā€™t polish a turd.
10000 hours wouldnā€™t get Joan burton into the Olympics.
You need to nurture nature.
Iā€™d add that the age is a huge factor as sport tends to be organised around a single cut off age group the whole way through school years. The older ones tend to be bigger, stronger, and more mature statistically, and so get noticed and picked and mentored better.
I think the UK govt has finally allowed some flexibility in school start dates for summer birthdays.
Mine were both born in late July, and, at some point, Iā€™ll try and hold them back a year as they will be a year older and ā€œwiserā€ (maybe) when making some of the most critical decisions in their lives as regards exams, university courses (or not) etc.

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It does. But sometimes that can even be missing and an individuals grit or indeed other environmental factors and an ability to deal with failure makes them who they are. Any number of boxers, soccer players or American Sport athletes would show this.

But yes generally its the rule rather than the exception.

***not sure why that responded to flatty. It was in response to balbec. Below is response to flatty.

Ya the stats on age mattering follows it around to when they split years so soccer used to be August 1st, same thing happened. Players largly came from Aug-Sep-Oct.

Stat of the opening round so far I think

Northern Ireland took until the 67th minute to get their first touch in the Poland penalty area

Grit is definitely a factor. and resilience. There are Not too many nice guys at the top of high class sport.

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An exception. Probably a right cunt on online forums.

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4 or 5 of the supposedly key players on one of the underage trams I manage are incredibly mentally weak and seem to seriously lack heart. Itā€™s very frustrating as a coach, you have to try and encourage them but sometimes they would really try your patience

Throwing a few fucks into them wonā€™t work no?