mother of god what a clamping
for me, england , switzerland hungary is an ideal scenario
you look at a crowd like the italians who are flaky as fuck but can be a very good tournament side
they usually follow up an implosion euro 2004 with a success WC 2006 , similar trnd with SA in 2010 and then getting to the 2012 final, im thinking the pattern may continue post their WC 2014 debacle
im backing them to win this most open and utterly magnificent looking tournament
I don’t think we’ll win anything with an attack comprised of Eder and Pelle, pal.
Conte has disappointed me so far.
@bandage @rocko Do we need a separate thread for draw predictions?
This may be of assistance to those wishing to make them
Yes we do.
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For those looking to book flights/ferries quickly after the draw, these are the cities where Ireland will play depending on where they’re drawn. Not sure if we are automatically given slot 4 so I’ve given them all. France are automatically team A1
A2 - Paris / Paris / Lyon
A3 - Lens / Marseille / Lyon
A4 - Lens / Paris / Lille
B1 - Marseille / Lens / St Etienne
B2 - Marseille / Lille / Toulouse
B3 - Bordeaux / Lens / Toulouse
B4 - Bordeaux / Lille / St Etienne
C1 - Lille / Paris / Paris
C2 - Lille / Lyon / Marseille
C3 - Nice / Paris / Marseille
C4 - Nice / Lyon / Paris
D1 - Toulouse / Nice / Bordeaux
D2 - Toulouse / St Etienne / Lens
D3 - Paris / Nice / Lens
D4 - Paris / St Etienne / Bordeaux
E1 - Lyon / Bordeaux / Nice
E2 - Lyon / Toulouse / Lille
E3 - Paris / Bordeaux / Lille
E4 - Paris / Toulouse / Nice
F1 - St Etienne / Paris / Lyon
F2 - St Etienne / Marseille / Paris
F3 - Bordeaux / Paris / Paris
F4 - Bordeaux / Marseille / Lyon
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Inconvenient truth is that the luck of the draw will play little part in Euro 2016
Hosts France have an advantage due to the tournament’s 24-team structure
ANDY MCGEADY
In spring the chief executive of World Rugby said he hoped England would not exit the Rugby World Cup at the pool stage. Some took umbrage: even the perception of a team being favoured in tournament play can bridle.
What, then, of the host team at Euro 2016 being handed its best possible position?
On May 12th, 1985 at New York’s Waldorf Astoria hotel seven sealed envelopes, each containing the name of an NBA team, were placed in a transparent plastic sphere. The “Frozen Envelope” conspiracy theory alleges the envelope with the New York Knicks in it had been placed in a freezer beforehand, or creased, or in some other way specially treated.
Why? So the number one pick in the draft would go to the Madison Square Garden franchise, along with the right to pick Georgetown college basketball star Patrick Ewing. The theory holds that the NBA would smile upon this; the draft’s most valuable commodity heading to a market badly in need of a superstar. And Ewing would indeed become a Knick.
Chris Ballard, in a superb piece for Sports Illustrated 30 years later, called the draft lottery footage “the Zapruder film of sports, watched and re-watched on YouTube and dissected by conspiracy theorists”.
Ahead of the 1994 World Cup, might Fifa’s draw engineer a favourable group for the USA in an effort to keep the hosts involved for as long as possible? It would not have been an entirely mad thought. After all, for the 1990 tournament Fifa had openly placed each seeded team in a specific group in advance of the main finals draw. England – and their fans – were placed in offshore Cagliari. Italy would play in Rome and, importantly, in Group A. We’ll come back to that.
Broadening the European championships from 16 to 24 teams did not just dilute the sporting quality of the event, it also set a challenge of finding a finals structure that would ensure fairness. Sixteen teams makes for simple maths: four groups of four, followed by four group winners playing four runners-up in the quarter finals. With 24 teams things are not so clean.
Fifa ran four 24-team World Cups from 1982 to 1994. The first, in Spain, had the second round and quarter-finals merged into a round-robin affair. The one in 1986 heralded the arrival of the now-familiar “Round of 16”, but the structure has a flaw: it is inherently biased towards Group A.
Inequality
Euro 2016 will follow that same structure: six groups with all first- and second-placed sides qualifying for the second round along with the four highest-ranked third-placed teams. Take a closer look at the routes to a semi-final, however, and things seem a little off.
The winners of groups A, B, C and D are all guaranteed to face third-placed sides in the second round while the top teams in E and F will play runners-up (and not even the lowest-ranked runners-up). Move through the scenarios and the inequality compounds itself.
One result is that Group E is a bum draw: no third-placed opponent for the winner while the runner-up plays the winner of Group F (a group notable in perhaps having no real incentive to finish top as both the first- and second-placed side will face a runner-up).
Group A is at the more insulated end of the scale where the winner, like that of Group D, is guaranteed to play a third-placed team in the second round followed by a runner-up in a quarter-final (see Italy’s route in 1990). A misfiring top seed will also have a further cushion as Group A’s runner-up will play a fellow runner-up in the second round.
Unravelling
All part of the quirks of the competition, you might say. And that would be correct were all those seeded slots left to the luck of the draw. The inconvenient truth is that, when it comes to the top slot in the best-positioned group for competition progress, Uefa has asked Lady Luck to step aside. Slot A1 has been designated to the hosts, France.
With the symmetry of the 16-team tournament lost it is doubly sad to see a draw where the odds of progressing deep into the competition can be affected simply by the letter of the group. Uefa, when asked by The Irish Times about the fairness of Euro 2016’s structure, declined to comment.
In these times of football’s administrative unravelling it’s not unusual to consider that a major football tournament has been set up in a manner that seems oddly beholden to a particular nation. This time, however, it has nothing to do with Sepp Blatter. Uefa had since 2008 to figure out a better way for Euro 2016 – and failed.
Bonne chance, mes amis
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Looking at that the best options look like D1, D2, E1 and E2.
My reading of the article Fagan posted is that we’d have to be A4, B4, etc.
Group E seems to be the one to avoid from a knockout point of view.
In terms of cities our games are in, I’d like to avoid the shitty northern industrial cities like Lille and Lens, and probably Paris too. A game in the new Velodrome would be class, as would a trip to Nice.
I’m at a wedding on the 10th of June, so I’m praying Ireland avoid Group A or B, as both groups play their opening round over the 10th/1tth.
The fella that wrote this looks like an awful creep in his photo in the paper.
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Ah right, I misunderstood it.
Looks like there’s a fair chance we’ll end up in Paris at some stage so.
I don’t think is correct. A 4th seed can slot into any group position, except the reserved A1 slot for France.
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Ah lovely. My post is very helpful so.
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What time is the draw on Saturday?
RTÉ coverage is from 17.00 - 18.15
Are Eagles of Death Metal making an appearance on stage?
Teams from Pot 1 are automatically designated as Team 1 in each group.
Therefore neither Ireland or Eire can be assigned to position B1, C1, D1 etc.
They can be assigned to position 2, 3 or 4 in any group, however.
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Anyone but Spain or Germany in pot one. Maybe best to avoid France too.
Anyone but Italy in pot two.
I want England, UKRAIN, and HUNGRY