you could get a proper nasty, bitter type of a match back then, proper full blooded hatred between teams and players.
You get the feeling now the players are nearly too sanitized and mentally balanced. There’s very few unhinged lads around anymore. Pepe is probably the last of them
The Dutch aspect of that is true but the Germans also hate the Dutch. The Euro '88 semi-final defeat is one of the most bitter in German history.
One of the Dutch players was supposed to have wiped his arse with a swapped German shirt that night in 1988
Did he get fucked off the panel like Barry Murphy?
The Balkan lads are great for carrying that tradition on.
Jerry doesn’t like losing to anyone. They took defeat very badly in 1918 and 1945.
Really? Some of the stuff dished out to Diego would leave that in the ha’penny place. I’d say Diego would have been delighted to be spat on instead of some of the leg breakers he had to contend with.
I watched Jogi Loew’s first competitive game in charge of Germany in the Skylon Hotel bar in Drumcondra on All Ireland weekend 2006. Stan’s first game with Ireland too.
Let’s hope tonight isn’t Jogi’s last.
A narrow 1-0 defeat. Stan got sent to the stand for kicking a water bottle I think.
Yeah England beat San Marino earlier in the afternoon 5-0 in Steve McClaren’s first game.
The humiliation at Euro 2000, which included to defeat to England in Charleroi, and the 5-1 defeat to England in Munich in 2001 were the major drivers in the reimagining of German football which started to bear real fruit at the 2010 World Cup. Typical German efficiency and resilience kept them very competitive for most of the mean time but in truth they were hanging on in that time. 2010 was when they really started to reclaim their place among the real elite.
Incidentally German club football culture, especially the supporter culture, owes a huge debt to English football. It’s largely modelled on the traditional 1950s/1960s English domestic game, before the hooliganism arrived.
Would there be much of a club rivalry between the English and Germans? Man Utd v Bayern in 1999 and Liverpool beating Bayern in 1984 semi are the only obvious examples that spring to mind. Suppose Chelsea v Bayern in 2012 too. Bayern walked all over Spurs and Chelsea in 2019/20 to the extent that they were damp squibs.
The international rivalry is iconic between England and Germany though. The Gazza tears, missed penalties, 5-1 in 2001, the Lampard ghost goal and of course 1966 and all the controversy there.
Were San Marino not in our group for that campaign?Stephen Ireland saved our blushes away from home against them. May have been Andorra that England beat? Seem to remember David Nugent getting a cap against them for some reason.
You are correct, it was Andorra, England beat that day 5-0.
There have been many major clashes in European club football between English and German teams.
Off the top of my head:
West Ham v 1860 Munich 1965
Liverpool v Borussia Dortmund 1966
Liverpool v Borussia Moenchengladbach 1973 and 1977
Leeds v Bayern Munich 1975
Forest v FC Koln 1979
Forest v Hamburg 1980
Liverpool v Bayern Munich 1981
Villa v Bayern Munich 1982
Everton v Bayern Munich 1985
Leeds v Stuttgart 1992
Manchester United v Borussia Dortmund 1997
Chelsea v Stuttgart 1998
Manchester United v Bayern Munich 1999, 2001, 2010, 2014
Chelsea v Bayern Munich 2012
Leeds v Stuttgart in 1992 at Elland Road was iconic
The rematch at the Nou Camp was undoubtedly the most iconic clash between English and German teams at that venue. Carl Shutt with a famous winner.
What gave rise to the need for a one off game
Three more Germans who disagree, but once the little Englanders get something in their heads it’s hard to change them so I don’t imagine this will make much difference either.
Stuttgart brought on a sub with a few minutes left who was ineligible. “Rules are rules, Stuttgart should be out”, said Alan Hansen. UEFA came up with a very GAA type solution. of a one off rematch at a neutral venue.