The terminal decay of Irish society. The permanent sense of entitlement that runs through many. The gubbermint (not your abomination spelling) owe them everything. But, and this is key, there’s no recognition that while being part of society should bring some benefits or even guarantees (housing/healthcare/food) thats a two sided coin. To be part of society you have to contribute to it, even slightly. Pay tax, don’t pollute, obey laws that aren’t there to subjugate, just to keep it ordered and everyone safe.
But for some the gubbermint is doin nuhin, while they are also doin nuhin to play their part in any way. Instagram drives this. Everyone wants the smart TV and week in lanza, because they saw others post pictures of it. But they are discretionary rewards, certainly nothing anyone is entitled to
But it’s not just the working class (but you’ll never stop playing that card) people in all sectors give out about how useless the government are. And minutes later doctor something so they don’t pay tax or speed or ignore covid regulations. And if they are pulled on it? Ah, laws should apply strictly to others, but not to me.
It’s throughout society, and it’s why politicians are so brazen about corruption, who can really throw the first stone? Plus politicians/gubmunt ARE Irish people and Irish society, a succinct representation of not everyone, but many. It doesn’t have to be this way. There’s always crooks and corruption, that’s human nature, we aren’t Greece or Italy where everything is a stroke, but we could be way better. But easier blame others than acknowledge that.
The irony is the whole ‘gubbermint’ thing was used originally in relation to redneck types in America who support trump. You seem to think they are great lads altogether
This thread was started by a poster discussing it’s use on here in relation to what might be called a sector of Irish society, in his attempt to create a class struggle where he believes he will lead the proletariat to victory and to killiney.
In a very muddled attempt to become involved you argue some hypocritical, not ironic , relevance to America and, of course, trump. Because everything in the world started in 2016. I asked what you understood to be the meaning of the ‘gubbermint’ since you state it was ‘a thing that was used originally in relation to redneck types in America who support trump’
You seem to think trump is a great man as he speaks for disenfranchised poor people in America who blame everything that’s bad in their life on the government but at the same time you think disenfranchised poor people in Ireland who blame everything that’s bad in their life on the government are a bunch of moany cunts who need to get on with it.
I think that’s ironic. You might disagree but it’s hardly that confusing.
You have proof of me saying this I presume? If you don’t you’ll have to admit you are a blowhard.
There’s a monumental difference between being poor in America and being poor in Ireland. You clearly haven’t a notion that this is the case.
There’s people in America, and I’m talking millions, with nothing. No health insurance, so if they get cancer or another disease, they just die as they can’t afford treatment. Who are malnutritioned out of lack of wages and access to anything bar the cheapest fast food deal, who drive 25 year old cars and in often cases live in them. And the people who fit the above, often are working minimum wage jobs.
If you’re not working, you are on the streets. Actually on the streets, not the Irish notion that just because you can’t afford a home you are homeless but you are in a hotel or living with parents.
Poor people in America have no access to college education, no hope of improving your life’s lot, just overly prescribed opiates to numb thinking about it.
That’s the reality. But you thinking that’s exactly the same as Irish people who make a conscious decision to just not bother working, that it’s ‘just not worth their while’ while enjoying health cards, the most generous dole in Europe, full free education and housing. For life.
You think they are in the same situation.
And of course you still can’t explain what you meant by gubbermint, what that thing was. I take it you are giving up there it was nonsense in fairness.
If you think poverty in Ireland is that simple good luck to you. Me typing some big ream of shite here to try and convince you would be just a complete waste of yours and my time.
I don’t disagree with most of that… But again, your use of language, more so phonetics, suggests the scourge of society is the working or less well off classes. That was my point in starting the thread, not leading a proletarian revolt, nor indeed to be a champion of the down trodden.
In another post on here in relation to the mother and baby I out forth the notion that the middle classes in Ireland have continually brow beat and shamed the less well off since the famine. It has stunted Irish society in lot’s of ways…shame and embarrassment are not great virtues to bestow upon people. I see your looking down on people with an accent, which you’ve openly displayed here in your reply, as a continuation of that shaming.
You’ve teased out the wider arguments here on other topics. Personal responsibility v government intervention. We’re still left with the conundrum of people breaking the pattern of poverty/handout culture… If you grow up in it and it’s your only life example, how do you break it?
Younger people in general do have a greater sense of entitlement. Again, that’s not their fault if that’s the example they’ve been set. Social media has given everyone a voice to feel special and all kinds of people are using it. That’s a different argument altogether but the psychological effects of social media on people isn’t good for humanity. Particularly as most people just find like minded people to enable them.
