If 1916 had never happened - the Irish Independence Referendum, 2014

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Opinion & Analysis

Despite Brexit, Ireland is still safer as part of the UK

Lord Bruton of Boyneside

March 30, 2017

With the triggering of Article 50 by the Prime Minister yesterday, speculation continues about whether First Minister Enda Kenny and his Irish Parliamentary Party will look to follow the lead of his Scottish counterpart Nicola Sturgeon by demanding a second independence referendum.

I believe this would be a mistake.

As with Scotland, it is true that Ireland voted to remain in the EU last June. But it is also true that the UK as a whole voted by 50.2% to 49.8% to leave. And that is the decision we are now bound by.

There are a number of very good reasons why independence now would be a bad idea for Ireland.

i) Ireland has a population of just 4.3 million people. It makes no economic sense for an island with such a small population to go it alone.

ii) Ireland is heavily subsidised by the UK exchequer and receives vastly more in subsidies than does any other part of the Union. Under the Cosgrave formula, each Irish person receives over £3,000 in subsidies from London compared to what they put into the UK economy.

iii) Ireland’s economy is primarily based on farming. We have to understand that the days of shipbuilding in Belfast, Dublin and Cork are over. Vauxhall no longer makes it cars in Cork, Drogheda’s steel plant is also gone. There is little foreign investment here. The point has continually been made that revenues from the export of beef, dairy products and potatoes are no basis on which to run an economy. This point still holds.

iv) Irish devolution, which I personally oversaw as Prime Minister in 1996, has been a success, but it has not been without its problems. The West Meath question remains a controversial issue in Westminster. Terrorist leaders such as Martin McGuinness, who died last week, constantly tried to disrupt the devolution process as it didn’t go far enough. We must not let his legacy prevail. Sinn Fein remains a cancer within the Irish body politic. New Sinn Fein leader Gerald Adams has shown no sign that his approach will be any different. It would be irresponsible to let the influence of such people grow in any potential future independent Irish state.

v) Any future independent Ireland would be put straight to the back of the queue for EU readmission. Spain would veto any membership application. The idea of a St. Patrick’s cross taking its place among the flags of independent European nations may seem like a nice idea to some, but don’t expect Europe to be amenable to the idea.

vi) The currency question remains unsolved. Would Ireland leave the pound and set up its own currency? Would we join the Euro? Both options are fraught with danger.

vii) But the most fundamental and important question is that of identity. We have been part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland for over 200 years. Imperfect as the Union may be, it has endured and stood the test of time. We cannot reap the benefits of it and then throw our toys out of the pram because the Union as a whole has decided to leave the EU. Accepting the democratic decision of UK voters, however unpalatable it may be, is to be a good British citizen.

We must remain loyal.

Lord Bruton of Boyneside was Prime Minister from 1990 to 1997 and Chancellor of the Exchequer from 1982 to 1990

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Deputy First Minister Foster expresses “full confidence” in RIC Chief Constable Sullivan

by David Devonshire, Leinster House Correspondent, BBC Ireland News

Deputy First Minster Arlene Foster has expressed her “full confidence” in RIC Chief Constable Noreen Sullivan, despite widespread calls for Sullivan’s resignation over her part in the so called “cash for gash” controversy.

Deputising for Enda Kenny during First Minister’s questions at Leinster House yesterday, Foster likened those demanding Sullivan’s resignation to “crocodiles”.

“Chief Constable Sullivan has proved herself a scrupulously honest and exceedingly competent leader of our police force”, said Foster.

“Those out to bring her down are only doing so because she is a woman”.

This prompted guffaws from Sinn Fein MIPs on the opposition benches.

Opposition justice spokesman Pierce Doherty claimed Foster’s defence of the Chief Constable was “pathetic”.

The “cash for gash” affair first came to prominence in December after it emerged that RIC members had been taking bribes to allow the continued operation of illegal brothels in East Belfast.

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IN TODAY’S SUNDAY DEPENDENT!

SPECIAL ISSUE - IRELAND’S HOUR HAS COME

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NEW GRAND COALITION PROMISES UNPRECEDENTED IRISH INFLUENCE AT WESTMINSTER
George Hook asks - why on earth didn’t we do this before now?

TREASA BEALTAINE - IRELAND’S ALLY
Brendan O’Connor profiles Prime Minister Theresa May

A MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN
How Leo the Lion came to the rescue of a wounded Prime Minister

ROSS RETURNS TO WESTMINSTER
Our columnist Shane Ross MP gives a fascinating behind the scenes insight into what happens at the House of Commons

IRISH ALLIANCE WILL SAVE UK FROM DISASTER OF CORBYN
We came so close to disaster, but thank heaven for Leo, writes Brian Hayes

ENDA THE LINE
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In this alternate scenario why has everything stayed the same apart from the countries being separate?
A fundamental change in the countries history such as that would have altered all timelines. For example would home rulers would have won the 1918 election and later achieved home rule by parliamentary means and then eventually independence? FF & FG wouldn’t exist, but the GAA would. Cavanagh might have played rugby and been forced to retire 7 years ago due to concussion incidents.
With only one team for Irish managers to manage it’s possible that neither O’Neill would have gotten a shot at international management.
James McCarthy’s grandfather might never even have emigrated to Scotland in this scenario. Or if he had McCarthy might have had less of an issue in declaring for Scotland.
The Kerry babies affair likely would never have happened as the Catholic church would have no say in the input of the state, etc. etc. etc.

Seems poorly thought out to be honest.

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The GAA folded in 1918, mate. All GAA players were conscripted by John Redmond and 95% of them were massacred at the battle of Passchendaele. Their infighting during that battle was infamous. The Galway division practically wiped each other out. In their case, the phrase “lions led by donkeys” was changed to “donkeys fighting donkeys”.

It almost lost Britain the war and brought about a terrible national shame which crippled the cause of Home Rule and made the GAA public enemy number one on this island.

John Redmond died of shame over the matter. WT Cosgrave took over from him and cemented the era of harmonious unionism that we enjoy today.

The organisers of the Irish Country Games took over the administration of the Gallic sports in 1934 but World War II did for that incarnation of the Gallic revival.

It wasn’t until the 1990s and the eventual advent of Home Rule that the Irish Country Games began to be seen as a legitimate cultural event but even now the games struggle badly outside of a few rural areas although radio stations like to do outside broadcasts from it like they do at the National Ploughing Championships, which gives it a sort of quirky, niche quasi-status within Irish culture and society, I suppose.

That never happened

You need to get your Sir Martin Storey straight, mate.

Sidney’s right, in that the effect of WWII on Ireland’s relationship with Britain cannot be underestimated. It’s long been rumoured that the Dublin Blitz focused on South Dublin just because the Gerrys knew that that’s where the strongest support for the war was. By the time Hitler expanded the bombing campaign and flattened Mountjoy Square the Union Jack was flying from nearly every window in the city, cheered on by our patriotic press. Anyone doubting the value of the newspapers should remember the vital role they played in galvinising public opinion in the face of that terrible destruction. That was the time when the Union between our two islands became truly cemented in blood. The boggers didn’t get hit as hard and just don’t understand what that really means.

The only silver lining was we got rid of all the old Georgian crap from the Northside.

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Rugby
Cavanagh relinquishes captaincy as Smith names Ireland team to play France

Ireland coach Jo Smith has named his team for Saturday’s Six Nations opener against France. As expected, long-time captain Sean Cavanagh relinquishes the role ahead of his final Six Nations campaign and Conor Murray will lead the side.

The team is:

15 - Keane O’Sullivan (Blackrock College and Leinster)
14 - Michael Quinlivan (Clonmel and Munster)
13 - Brian Fenton (Clontarf and Leinster)
12 - Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers and Leinster)
11- Jacob Stockdale (Belfast Harlequins and Ulster)
10 - Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary’s and Leinster)
9 - Conor Murray (Garryowen and Munster) ©
1 - Damien Comer (Galwegians and Connaught)
2 - Rory Best (Banbridge and Ulster)
3 - Tadhg Furlong (New Ross and Leinster)
4 - Iain Henderson (Armagh Harps and Ulster)
5 - David Moran (Tralee and Munster)
6 - Leeroy Keegan (Westport and Connaught)
7 - Matt Donnelly (Dungannon and Ulster)
8 - Sean Cavanagh (Dungannon and Ulster)

Replacements:
Keane Healy (Clontarf and Leinster)
Michael Murphy (City of Derry and Ulster)
Peter O’Mahony (Cork Constitution and Munster)
Patrick McBrearty (Donegal Town and Ulster)
Joey Carbery (Clontarf and Leinster)
Paul Flynn (Skerries Harps and Leinster)
Robert Kearney (UCD and Leinster)

Soccer
Connolly wins Premier League Player Of The Month award for January

Dermot Connolly is the Premier League Player Of The Month for January. The Dubliner scored six goals during the month, including a hat-trick for Liverpool in their exciting 4-3 win over league leaders Manchester City at Anfield, and rounded off by bagging two goals at Huddersfield on Tuesday night.

Connolly has now scored 18 league goals since returning from a 10 match ban for pushing a linesman at the end of September.

Why has the Easter rising not happening changed the spelling of a South Africans name?

Who said it was the same person?

Not you, clearly, given that he’s from New Zealand.

I’m talking about the Joe Schmidt in your timeline. He’s South African

You’re the first person to mention anybody called Schmidt in this thread.

Tell me all about him.

You say he’s South African now, yes?

Christ

Wouldn’t see Damien Comer as a loosehead prop.

Rugby players whose nickname is “the Beast” are usually loose head props.

Damien has been known to throw an odd loose head himself.

Another renewal of this time honoured tradition tomorrow.

As an added bonus, there will be a special commemoration for one of Tipperary’s finest ever sons, Sir Michael O’Dwyer, on the 100th anniversary of Amritsar.

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John Delaney knighted for services to sport

Disgraced former IFA chief executive John Delaney is one of several well known Irish figures to be knighted in the New Year’s Honours list, while Deputy First Minister Arlene Foster has been made a Dame.

Delaney, who was recently forced to resign from his role as head of Irish football, recieved the honour for “outstanding service to sport and sports administration”.

Delaney is said to be “humbled and honoured” by his award, which was hailed by buisness tital Sir Denis O’Brien as “richly deserved”.

Foster received news of her Order of the Bath while being driven from Belfast to Dublin for Jimmy Cricket’s sell out show at the 3 Arena and was said to be “thrilled”.

Also knighted are MP for Killarney Michael Healy Rae and Sunday Dependent columnist and writer Owen Harris, while England’s Cricket World Cup winning captain Owen Morgan receives a CBE.

Full list of Irish recipients

Knighthood

John Delaney OBE
For outstanding services to sport and sports administration

The Rt. Hon. Michael Healy Rae MP
For outstanding political and public service

Owen Harris OBE
For outstanding service to public discussion and official thought

Order of the Bath
The Rt. Hon. Arlene Foster MIP
For outstanding political and public service

CBE
Brendan O’Carroll
For outstanding services to entertanment

Owen Morgan
For services to English cricket

OBE
Jim Gavin
For services to aviation safety

Mary Kennedy
For services to broadcasting

MBE
Joe Schmidt
For outstanding achievement in the field of comedy

Angela Kerins
For services to charity

Paul Kelly
For services to aviation

Laurence Corbett
For services to tourism and hospitality