Gas them?
Whoâs going to get rid of it?
What circumstances do you anticipate it will crumble under?
400 years after the Brits planted Ulster their descendants are still in charge.
[QUOTE=âThe Scouse Cafu, post: 984375, member: 2660â]Whoâs going to get rid of it?
What circumstances do you anticipate it will crumble under?
400 years after the Brits planted Ulster their descendants are still in charge.[/QUOTE]
The Israeliâs also resurrected a dead language in a generation. Paddy potato canât speak a word of his own after 14 years of it in school. A great bunch of curly headed lads.
[QUOTE=âThe Scouse Cafu, post: 984375, member: 2660â]Whoâs going to get rid of it?
What circumstances do you anticipate it will crumble under?
400 years after the Brits planted Ulster their descendants are still in charge.[/QUOTE]
The issue is what they so gingerly refer to as âthe demographic problemâ. Even if they succeeded in âsettlingâ all the arable land in the West Bank and controlling all its fresh water, and corralling all the Palestinians into South African style bantustans, they will still be faced by a Palestinian and Arab-Israeli population vastly bigger than its own.
The Jewish majority between the Mediterranean and the Jordan is already gone and by 2050 the Arab population will be much larger. Israel will either have to exterminate the Palestinian population, or integrate. Either way, the Zionist fantasy will in the end prove impossible.
Itâs significantly different to Northern Ireland. It would be like the settlement of Ulster if that episode had involved Muslim Arabs trying to start their own exclusively Muslim country there, with no Muslim population to support them anywhere else in the world. Sure the Israelis have US backing now, which allows them to use military force to suppress the Palestinians, but that wonât last forever. The demographic tide canât be held back, and in the end Israel will have its reckoning.
I think Israel would offer a political solution if they were confident it would resolve the issue. However, as long as there are hard liner groups that emerge with the sole aim of destroying the state of Israel itâs hard to see how it will be solved.
You saw the pressure on politicians here to do something/anything to solve a problem over a country singers concert. Imagine the pressure if missiles were landing.
[QUOTE=âtallback, post: 984390, member: 1158â]I think Israel would offer a political solution if they were confident it would resolve the issue. However, as long as there are hard liner groups that emerge with the sole aim of destroying the state of Israel itâs hard to see how it will be solved.
You saw the pressure on politicians here to do something/anything to solve a problem over a country singers concert. Imagine the pressure if missiles were landing.[/QUOTE]
Thatâs ludicrous. There has been an offer of peace backed by the entire world on the table for 40 years. A two-state solution on the 1967 borders. Israel has rejected it and built settlements on Palestinian land instead.
[QUOTE=âWatch The Break, post: 984380, member: 260â]The issue is what they so gingerly refer to as âthe demographic problemâ. Even if they succeeded in âsettlingâ all the arable land in the West Bank and controlling all its fresh water, and corralling all the Palestinians into South African style bantustans, they will still be faced by a Palestinian and Arab-Israeli population vastly bigger than its own.
The Jewish majority between the Mediterranean and the Jordan is already gone and by 2050 the Arab population will be much larger. Israel will either have to exterminate the Palestinian population, or integrate. Either way, the Zionist fantasy will in the end prove impossible.
Itâs significantly different to Northern Ireland. It would be like the settlement of Ulster if that episode had involved Muslim Arabs trying to start their own exclusively Muslim country there, with no Muslim population to support them anywhere else in the world. Sure the Israelis have US backing now, which allows them to use military force to suppress the Palestinians, but that wonât last forever. The demographic tide canât be held back, and in the end Israel will have its reckoning.[/QUOTE]
Withdrawal of international support is the only thing that can undermine Israel. As long as it has international support it isnât remotely threatened. The Jewish lobby is so well organised and has such deep influence that itâs difficult to foresee a situation where that support is ever withdrawn.
[QUOTE=âtallback, post: 984390, member: 1158â]I think Israel would offer a political solution if they were confident it would resolve the issue. However, as long as there are hard liner groups that emerge with the sole aim of destroying the state of Israel itâs hard to see how it will be solved.
You saw the pressure on politicians here to do something/anything to solve a problem over a country singers concert. Imagine the pressure if missiles were landing.[/QUOTE]
Stock phrases like âgroups with the sole intention of destroying the state of Israelâ or âIsrael has the right to defend its citizensâ add nothing to any debate.
Phrases like that automatically mean youâre starting from a base position that Israel is the offended party. A quick look at history would tell you otherwise. These phrases when used by professional politicians and commentators are Goebbels-esque. When used by gullible Joe Soaps like yourself theyâre just so much useful idiocy. an attempt by the ignorant to sound like they understand the issues by spouting Israeli war propaganda without even realising it.
[QUOTE=âThe Scouse Cafu, post: 984404, member: 2660â]Withdrawal of international support is the only thing that can undermine Israel. As long as it has international support it isnât remotely threatened. The Jewish lobby is so well organised and has such deep influence that itâs difficult to foresee a situation where that support is ever withdrawn.
Stock phrases like âgroups with the sole intention of destroying the state of Israelâ or âIsrael has the right to defend its citizensâ add nothing to any debate.
Phrases like that automatically mean youâre starting from a base position that Israel is the offended party. A quick look at history would tell you otherwise. These phrases when used by professional politicians and commentators are Goebbels-esque. When used by gullible Joe Soaps like yourself theyâre just so much useful idiocy. an attempt by the ignorant to sound like they understand the issues by spouting Israeli war propaganda without even realising it.[/QUOTE]
Itâs gas. This is the amount of land the Israelis have stolen from the Palestinians since the middle of the last century and you have lads wringing their hands over the threat to Israelâs existence.
Do you speak it mate?
I was reading a comment thread on a friendâs Facebook page about this earlier. There was one chap commenting at length who I would certainly have had down as a West Brit blueshirt conservative, but with his head generally screwed on when it comes to international affairs. I was wrong. He starts spouting these stock propaganda phrases, and then says: âthe IDF is probably the most careful defence force in the world when it comes to minimising civilian casualtiesâ, and goes on abut how warnings were given etc. The comes from a guy who spends half his time waffling on about the evils of the IRA in Eoghan Harris-esque tones. Articulate nonsense of the highest order.
The IRA in fairness generally gave 30 minutes or more warnings and made them in English, and didnât target civilian houses, as opposed to the five minute Hebrew warnings the IDF give to Palestinian civilians before blowing up their houses.
Fact.
[QUOTE=âThe Scouse Cafu, post: 984427, member: 2660â]I was reading a comment thread on a friendâs Facebook page about this earlier. There was one chap commenting at length who I would certainly have had down as a West Brit blueshirt conservative, but with his head generally screwed on when it comes to international affairs. I was wrong. He starts spouting these stock propaganda phrases, and then says: âthe IDF is probably the most careful defence force in the world when it comes to minimising civilian casualtiesâ, and goes on abut how warnings were given etc. The comes from a guy who spends half his time waffling on about the evils of the IRA in Eoghan Harris-esque tones. Articulate nonsense of the highest order.
The IRA in fairness generally gave 30 minutes or more warnings and made them in English, and didnât target civilian houses, as opposed to the five minute Hebrew warnings the IDF give to Palestinian civilians before blowing up their houses.[/QUOTE]
We still get, and almost always will, the Jewish biased side of the story from British and American media. Its not so much propaganda, but just leaving out half the narrative.
Speaking of propaganda. ABC Australia had a program on last night interviewing a load of Iraqi Ministers and Army lads. They, absolutely clearly promted (one lad literally stuttered through it looking at prompts), that the Australian citizens involved in the Iraqi conflict are clearly a danger to Australia on their return and they will kill people and bomb cities.
Anyone in the states or UK seen anything similar? It reminded me alot of the now uncovered fraudulent tapes of the youth worker in the Aboriginal camps calling rape and paedophilia.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 984432, member: 273â]We still get, and almost always will, the Jewish biased side of the story from British and American media. Its not so much propaganda, but just leaving out half the narrative.
Speaking of propaganda. ABC Australia had a program on last night interviewing a load of Iraqi Ministers and Army lads. They, absolutely clearly promted (one lad literally stuttered through it looking at prompts), that the Australian citizens involved in the Iraqi conflict are clearly a danger to Australia on their return and they will kill people and bomb cities.
Anyone in the states or UK seen anything similar? It reminded me alot of the now uncovered fraudulent tapes of the youth worker in the Aboriginal camps calling rape and paedophilia.[/QUOTE]
This was the story featured in the recent John Pilger documentary âUtopiaâ, wasnât it? Mental stuff.
[QUOTE=âThe Scouse Cafu, post: 984404, member: 2660â]Withdrawal of international support is the only thing that can undermine Israel. As long as it has international support it isnât remotely threatened. The Jewish lobby is so well organised and has such deep influence that itâs difficult to foresee a situation where that support is ever withdrawn.
Stock phrases like âgroups with the sole intention of destroying the state of Israelâ or âIsrael has the right to defend its citizensâ add nothing to any debate.
Phrases like that automatically mean youâre starting from a base position that Israel is the offended party. A quick look at history would tell you otherwise. These phrases when used by professional politicians and commentators are Goebbels-esque. When used by gullible Joe Soaps like yourself theyâre just so much useful idiocy. an attempt by the ignorant to sound like they understand the issues by spouting Israeli war propaganda without even realising it.[/QUOTE]
Ya, absolutely mental. I was very very angry for a few days after that. Thankfully only a couple of Irish lads had to listen to my rhetoric.
The government basically set up ABC and created this big bad lie to rob land from the Aboriginals for uranium.
[QUOTE=âWatch The Break, post: 984380, member: 260â]The issue is what they so gingerly refer to as âthe demographic problemâ. Even if they succeeded in âsettlingâ all the arable land in the West Bank and controlling all its fresh water, and corralling all the Palestinians into South African style bantustans, they will still be faced by a Palestinian and Arab-Israeli population vastly bigger than its own.
The Jewish majority between the Mediterranean and the Jordan is already gone and by 2050 the Arab population will be much larger. Israel will either have to exterminate the Palestinian population, or integrate. Either way, the Zionist fantasy will in the end prove impossible.
Itâs significantly different to Northern Ireland. It would be like the settlement of Ulster if that episode had involved Muslim Arabs trying to start their own exclusively Muslim country there, with no Muslim population to support them anywhere else in the world. Sure the Israelis have US backing now, which allows them to use military force to suppress the Palestinians, but that wonât last forever. The demographic tide canât be held back, and in the end Israel will have its reckoning.[/QUOTE]
WTB you make some valid points here but ill ask you have ever met an israeli arab?
if you do ask them right now what governement would they prefer to live under and where their quality of life is better?
would they prefer to live under Fatah in the WB? or god forbid under the Hamas dictatorship in gaza?
Most israeli arabs (especailly christians who serve in the military) indentify themselves more with the state of israel then they do with palestine., life in Nazareth under Bibi is 100 times better than Ramallah under Abbas or in gaza where the dictatorship running it only see your kids as cannon fodder for a human shield to fund their jihadist cause
Ill get back to the rest of the thread later as i want to do it justice by replying properly but one of the main reasons why israel survives is because 20% of its population (arab) are perfectly happy to reside in its borders
i would agree with that unfortunatly,
any group that murders the opposition and whose sole policy is the destruction of its neighbour by murdering civilians does not care about its people.
the fact that hamas are portrayed as some type of robin hood characters is pretty wrong, these guys are fundamentally a jihadist organaisation who want to turn the strip into a sharia law dictatorship. they dont want peace and despise those in the west bank that do and accuse them of being too moderate. All funding they get is used for weapons. khaleed mashal who runs the show is doing so from Qatar, he is intent on only one thing and that is the murder of jews, anything else and the lives of the people forced to live under Hamas rule are insignifigant.
people forget that israel 100% left gaza when Ariel Sharon evacuated Gush Katif in 2005, under Fatah israel and gaza lived in relative peace, gazans used to cross into israel on a daily basis building houses, etcâŚ
hamas seized power there in 2007 and murdered or imprisioned all fatah members and their families and set as their charter the destruction of Israel by murdering civilians.
Because of this Israel closed its land borders to gaza, i dont see what the problem is here, if your neighbour has openly said they want to kill your civilans why leave the border open to run the risk of suicide attacks⌠Egypt, people forget also closed the Rafah border crossing and shoot on site any Palestinian trying to cross⌠people seem to forget this.
what i dont agree with is how israel blockaded the sea into gaza, yes they were rightly concerned of weapons being smuggled in that would be used to kill their civilains but still all this did was create a prison type situation.
But what would anyone else do? gaza is not occupied, it is under the control of Hamas not israel, hamas thrive on the fact that their is a âblockadeâ as it is the greatest recruiting tool that they have.
Israel does allow aid into gaza, it does have civilians come thru erez for hospital treatement like it did for syrians, but it does it our of humanitarians reasons⌠Israel is not perfect , it just wants nothing to do with gaza, it is entitled to close its borders, that is not for disputing, but until Hamas are removed we cannot have a peaceful situation.
i just want peace here, i am not pro or anti anything , we need 2 states but in order to so so the Palestinians need to unify, and at least Hamas need to stop stating that their number one priority is the murder of jews and the destruction of Israel, that would be a start, israel then needs a governemnt change , and end to WB settlements and it can begin.
before any of this happens tho their will be a bloody Palestinian civil war similar to the ireland signing the peace treaty with loyd georgeâŚ
Problem is that the muslims want the elimination of Israel. Hard to negotiate on that basis.
[QUOTE=âmickee321, post: 984440, member: 367â]i would agree with that unfortunatly,
any group that murders the opposition and whose sole policy is the destruction of its neighbour by murdering civilians does not care about its people.
the fact that hamas are portrayed as some type of robin hood characters is pretty wrong, these guys are fundamentally a jihadist organaisation who want to turn the strip into a sharia law dictatorship. they dont want peace and despise those in the west bank that do and accuse them of being too moderate. All funding they get is used for weapons. khaleed mashal who runs the show is doing so from Qatar, he is intent on only one thing and that is the murder of jews, anything else and the lives of the people forced to live under Hamas rule are insignifigant.
people forget that israel 100% left gaza when Ariel Sharon evacuated Gush Katif in 2005, under Fatah israel and gaza lived in relative peace, gazans used to cross into israel on a daily basis building houses, etcâŚ
hamas seized power there in 2007 and murdered or imprisioned all fatah members and their families and set as their charter the destruction of Israel by murdering civilians.
Because of this Israel closed its land borders to gaza, i dont see what the problem is here, if your neighbour has openly said they want to kill your civilans why leave the border open to run the risk of suicide attacks⌠Egypt, people forget also closed the Rafah border crossing and shoot on site any Palestinian trying to cross⌠people seem to forget this.
what i dont agree with is how israel blockaded the sea into gaza, yes they were rightly concerned of weapons being smuggled in that would be used to kill their civilains but still all this did was create a prison type situation.
But what would anyone else do? gaza is not occupied, it is under the control of Hamas not israel, hamas thrive on the fact that their is a âblockadeâ as it is the greatest recruiting tool that they have.
Israel does allow aid into gaza, it does have civilians come thru erez for hospital treatement like it did for syrians, but it does it our of humanitarians reasons⌠Israel is not perfect , it just wants nothing to do with gaza, it is entitled to close its borders, that is not for disputing, but until Hamas are removed we cannot have a peaceful situation.
i just want peace here, i am not pro or anti anything , we need 2 states but in order to so so the Palestinians need to unify, and at least Hamas need to stop stating that their number one priority is the murder of jews and the destruction of Israel, that would be a start, israel then needs a governemnt change , and end to WB settlements and it can begin.
before any of this happens tho their will be a bloody Palestinian civil war similar to the ireland signing the peace treaty with loyd georgeâŚ[/QUOTE]
An outstandingly informed, balanced and honest post.
Man City also funded by Qatar. Another shower of cunts.