So despite being utterly rejected by the voters Fine Gael and Labour are going to end up back in power. I donât understand the logic (other than barefaced politicing) of FF saying they wouldnât go into a coalition with FG yet say they will be responsible for putting them back into power.
Self preservation mate.
Itâs morally corrupt but sure you know yourself.
And the most bizzare thing about it all is that itâs the independents that will bear brunt of it in the next election .
Do they have the numbers thoughâŠI donât see it, what is 78 or 79 seats between FG, Labour and the âothersâ
Maybe itâll happen when the costs of running another election campaign are considered by all but Iâd be skeptical enough tbh.
Fianna FĂĄil were biggest party in a Sunday Times poll today. Up to 26% and 2% ahead of Fine Gael. Theyâve been so despicably insincere and typically underhanded since the election, the cunts. So much bullshit about political reform and keeping their promises when they merely want to position themselves to bring down the minority government in 6-12 months. They donât give a fuck about sorting out health, housing etc. They just think theyâll be fully rehabilitated after another election cycle and itâs hard to blame them when you see those poll results.
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You could also pose the same question towards SF as well mateâŠlargest number of TDâs ever elected and what are they at?
Looking towards the next day out.
Politics is a shambles fullstop.
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Fianna FĂĄil were offered an equal partnership government with a rotating Taoiseach arrangement. Sinn FĂ©in didnât have that option.
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Ah stop. Sinn Fein are the biggest mé feiners of them all.
Go on the Don.
If the offer was on the table would SF really have risked everything going into bed with the blueshirts.
I doubt it mate, it would potentially be political suicide for them, I dunno maybe they would for the greater good but I doubt it.
They are building their core support at the moment and have a great chance of being the majority party the way theyâre going.
As a Fine Gael / Sinn FĂ©in supporter, Iâd welcome a partnership government between the two parties.
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Gas man.
40% of this country are Fianna Fail core voters. It essentially took Fianna Fail bankrupting the country and ceding sovereignty to the IMF for the first collapse in their vote in 80 years in 2011. All that happened in this election was the start of the slow drift back of all those borrowed votes to Fianna Fail. Give it a few years and Fianna Fail will be back of up to 40% and the party of effective permanent governance again.
I disagree. Their core demographic is old and is dying off. Theyâll attract new voters alright but that hardcore ff always vote wonât exist in the same way at all.
I see Labour are now considering government again if abortion is introduced on tap.
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This makes no sense. If you have the seats to form a government, then you have the seats. All these imagined results and narratives that flow from elections are gas. Yes Labour went down to 7 seats, but they still have 7 seats and can form a part of any government.
I donât think thatâs true. Iâd say itâs at about what they got in the election. Their âcoreâ actually started to die off in the 80s. They bolstered their % by an old fashioned exercise in buying votes but even when Bertie was inflating the economy and housing market he only just got over 40% of the vote - compare that to Lynch buying just over 50% in 1977.
There is a sizeable % of will not transfer to them now, let alone give them a number 1. SF are acceptable to the moronic Rastooler vote when they werenât before. Their actual % of the vote only went up by less than 7% this time despite them having you believe theyâre back.
Independents are a joke. I can count less than 5 of them who I would have any time for. The reason they arenât in government now is the same as people going on about FF - self preservation. They are voted in by parochial morons who are hoping that they can be a player in a situation where a major party needs a few independent votes. They are utterly redundant as a grouping because of this.
The Independents are wannabee fianna failers. Or fianna fail rejects. Except Lowry.
The past few weeks has shown us a few things but one definitely core truth, which has been backed up by that poll yesterday. Thereâs really no more despicable thing than a FF core supporter. Theyâre actually worse than a FF TD. At least the FF TD is aiming to line his own pockets, but the FF core supporter is just a simpleton of the highest order. Thereâs not much between them all obviously in Irish politics, but fuck, these fellas are on a different level entirely.
You can see that from the specimens posting on here.