Ireland politics (Part 3)

I didn’t say ā€œthere’s no issuesā€. Not once.

What I said was there were massive complaints over the health service 25 years ago and always has been. And frankly there always will be.

The simple facts is that Ireland’s QOLY has improved dramatically in that time. Of course some of it comes down to lifestyle factors, that’s obvious. Your other explanation was privatisation, which is false. Things like the National Cancer Control Programme, Bowel Screening, Breast Check, free GP care expanding…

But the narrative is constantly that things are terrible. There’s the obvious horror stories, the areas of shitness, the work-shy types etc. but the narrative is of third world stuff. It’s not serious but people seem to actually believe it.

There’s definitely exaggeration, but at the same time things in a lot of meaningful areas are worse. Availability of housing and rentals, traffic in a lot of areas as examples. The rainy day fund is a rod for the governments back really, an imaginary ball of money that seems so close yet doesn’t seem to have brought any noticeable improvement to day to day life. Now if the government are holding funds for a real all hands on deck crisis then that’s probably fair enough. But if that day comes and it emerges that the promised riches were spent on focus groups for people who identify as unicorns or likewise then the guillotines might have to be sharpened.

Another one- Primary Care Centres.

There were 34 in 2014, there’s 180 today. Over €1bn of bricks and mortar investment (as well as operational), all part of the Slaintecare idea for more localised care. Is that not a contributing factor? Doesn’t figure on her graph.

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ā€œSeveral people pointed out that some countries with few hospital beds (e.g. Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands) have strong primary care systems that reduce hospital dependency. This is correct, and these countries made a deliberate policy choice to invest in GPs, community care, and preventive medicine so that fewer people need hospital admission. Ireland has not made this choice. Ireland has both few hospital beds and weak primary care. 75% of GP lists are closed, while hospital bed occupancy is at 95%… the highest in the OECD. Ireland has the worst of both models.ā€

Shes a bit light on stats here

Housing and rentals is obviously a huge strain on the country.

But you can go to two lenses on this. The left claim it’s because of vultures, lack of social housing being built, greedy developers and the government ā€œdoing nothingā€. The far right blame immigration.

The truth is mixed and far more nuanced.

What does 75% of GPs lists are closed mean? A doctor who has been operating in a mature area for years only periodically has new space? That’s nothing unique to Ireland. This is the Netherlands, is their care shit?

Her graph literally makes zero attempt to represent that investment in primary care over the last decade. Zero.

In terms of beds, I remain extremely skeptical of these numbers. During Covid Ireland was supposedly heading for meltdown over ICU beds- but found itself to be very stretchy when the time came.

Debating every aspect of the health service is silly though. There’s clearly areas that are massively shit and some have bad experiences. There are also areas that are pretty good and dramatically improved.

I laughed at the ā€œhabitat for wildlife bitā€.

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he is a friend of rural oireland though

@william had some great facts this week

Who’s the sick individual again?

He is in his fuck,hes a friend to himself and his businesses.

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I’m sure @PasqualePaoli will be along shortly to apologise. Along with the four numbskulls that liked his post.

apologies, he says he is a friend of rural Oireland

thats a clamping

@myboyblue was one of those numbskulls. The fella that calls all suicide victims ā€œcowardsā€.

But made up suicide victims are heroes apparently.

Sick individuals…eh

I had to nod along sagely with this.

There’s nothing the far right won’t set up a fraudulent Go Fund Me over.

He’s never walk away from a pile on in fairness

Was lovely to see Eamon De Valera liking that post as well. I wonder is it the Eamon De Valera?

You don’t get proper Irish surnames like De Valera any more.

It’s kinda apples and oranges because they seem to chop and change politically with their top civil servants on number 10 over there. This guy was fired under the bus along with others to save starmer. Would that happen here? I’d say it would get hung on the politician, and rightly so. And lastly, I don’t think we’d appoint close associates of notorious sex offenders as ambassadors to the US in the first place.

An obvious freak who exists on the forum merely to like hateful posts, what would be lacking in you :man_shrugging:

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Having a pool of ā€œlike onlyā€ burner accounts which only like far right posts and never actually post is surely the next step in the TFK awkward squad strategy.