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âMy golden rule is client confidentiality⌠and I wanted to leave the podcast with Matt Cooperâ â Ivan Yates on Jim Gavin controversy
David McCullagh hosts first show on new RTĂ Radio 1 slot, with Ivan Yates as first guest
Ivan Yates. Photo: Mark Condren
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Political commentator Ivan Yates said his âgolden ruleâ in his media training business endeavour is âclient confidentialityâ.
Speaking as the first guest on David McCullaghâs new show on RTĂ Radio 1, Mr Yates addressed the Jim Gavin controversy after it was revealed by the Irish Independent that he coached former Fianna FĂĄil presidential candidate Jim Gavin while also acting as a political commentator.
When asked by McCullagh why he didnât disclose the fact that he had given media training to one of the presidential candidates, while making media appearances to comment on the election, Mr Yates said: âStraightforward question, straightforward answer.â
âI left full-time broadcasting in July 2020, when I set up this, amongst other businesses that Iâve set up in relation to public affairs and coaching, I had a golden rule, and that was client confidentiality.
âAnd in the same way, if youâre an accountant or a solicitor or communications coach, or Catherine Connolly, [who] would never reveal who her barrister clients were. So this is an established and, in my view, an absolute principle of client confidentiality. So if Fianna FĂĄĂl wanted to talk about it, fine, Iâm not going to talk about it.
Ivan Yates. Photo: Mark Condren
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"As it happened with Jim, it combusted. Letâs be clear, I had said things before I had trained him about that he had a Dublin opportunity, he had the GAA opportunity. But I actually found out very quickly that this man is not a politician at all. He has no political skills, and he needed to learn them fast. So I would be absolutely, in my view, completely objective,â he added.
After his former podcast co-host, Matt Cooper, described the controversy as a âbreach of trustâ to the Path to Power podcast audience, Mr Yates said he doesnât agree with this statement.
He also claimed he wanted to leave the podcast anyway.
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âI really have nothing to say at this time about Matt Cooper, other than to wish Path to Power and the Last Word and all his other things well.
âIâve been looking to get off of this. I actually sent texts to people saying that Iâm so relieved because I tell you what Iâm really good at, and what the essence of the podcast [is], I am the best backchanneller in the business, because politicians speak to me because Iâm not a journalist.
âThey can trust me, because I understand and I empathise with politicians. I even like politicians, and so therefore I was getting material that âIvan, this is your opinion. You didnât hear from meâ, and that was the x factor, the gossipy nature of it.â
Mr Yates said he is not a âFianna FĂĄĂl spin doctorâ and has no involvement in the partyâs strategy.
"Iâm not a Fianna FĂĄil spin doctor, and Iâm relying on my personal integrity to give my independent opinion,â he said.
âIn my view, the issue for me is one of trust. And I have trained, in this context, hundreds of clients, in terms of NGOs, in terms of the public sector, private sector, and they have to rely on the fact that I wonât go blabbing.
âItâs actually been trying [to be] pushed across as the week has gone on, that Iâm a spin doctor for Fianna FĂĄil. I have no involvement in their strategy, no involvement in their policy, or manifesto.
âMy job is like a physio at the last minute to get them match fit. And you know what, isnât it amazing, since this blew up nine days ago, not one other coach has appeared. Why is that? Because they all have confidential relationships.â
He added his departure from the Path to Power podcast had nothing to do with the fact that he coached Jim Gavin.
âI have no plans to set up another podcast. I have a major book coming out next year. I want to see it [Path to Power podcast] succeed. But that is the extent of this, the reality of this. There was no row as far as Iâm concerned,â he said.
He said he wasnât asked by his former podcast co-host, Matt Cooper, or Newstalk whether he was working for any of the presidential campaigns.
âNot that I recall,â he said. âThe answer is no, as far as Iâm concerned, to my best memory.
âI absolutely, as far as Iâm concerned, acted honourably and Iâve broken no rules.â
Speaking on Miriam OâCallaghan and her brother, Minister of Justice Jim OâCallaghan, he said: "If her brother became Taoiseach, it would be an awkward situation.
"Iâm very fond of Miriam, and that is actually a very good example. Is Miriam compromised because her brother is the Minister of Justice? So I rely on Miriamâs integrity that she has a separation in her mind from the love of her brother to the interviewing of her brother.
âThe situation is that anybody Iâve trained is subject to, as far as Iâm concerned, an iron and absolute and enduring rule of client confidentiality.â
He added that he was âtreated like a criminal for doing his jobâ.
âI may have an extra chapter in the book, but the reality of it is, Iâm pretty robust and resilient. Iâm not cocky about it, but Iâm saying absolutely, adamantly, I broke no rules, and in my mind, Iâve done nothing wrong, and any coaching job I have has not compromised my own opinions.â
In relation to his comment to âsmear the bejaysisâ out of president-elect Catherine Connolly during the campaign, he said: âWhat actually happened was the Connolly campaign, in a master stroke, actually implied that this was really Fine Gaelâs smear strategy.
âThe only thing Iâm sorry for in the last three or four weeks, or in the whole period, was that impact. And then what happened last week, Simon Harris comes out saying it was a Fianna FĂĄil smear. Both are complete lies, and the facts show that was to do with my independent opinion.
âMy opinion is the minute Jim exited the race, Catherine Connolly was going to win, and the context in which I made the remarks is that Heatherâs not going to win here,â he added.
New show
David McCullagh kicked off his first show in the new slot this morning by saying; ânew time, new title, and new presenterâ.
The RTĂ broadcaster kicked off his new weekday show, Today with David McCullagh, at 9am this morning.
It comes as the new weekday schedule of the station went live today, with Kieran Cuddihy stepping into the Liveline hotseat later in the afternoon.
The shakeup comes after broadcaster Sarah McInerney stepped down from Drivetime on Friday, along with the departure of Ray DâArcy from The Ray DâArcy Show last month.
McCullagh has taken over the Today⌠programme from Claire Byrne, who announced her move to Newstalk earlier this year.
With no time to waste after the jingle, McCullagh said: âGood morning, and youâre very welcome to the programmeâ.
"New time, new title, new presenter. Weâll be keeping you up to date on all the breaking news, bringing you analysis of all the big stories and giving you insights into all the issues which affect your life,â he added.