Ireland politics


#5870

Sooner Leo the Langer and his little boy Harris fuck off the better


#5871

Similarily Micheal Martin was minister for health that helped set up the disaster that is the HSE and is leader of FF with eyes on becoming Taoiseach. They have been eerily quiet of late. No need for protestations really when you are part of a supply and confidence agreement and the other crowd are tripping over themselves at every turn.


#5872

The ministers do fuck all, regardless of who the face is its the same civil servants behind the scenes playing the same tune they always did.


#5873

Ff cant afford to take the government down at the moment, particularly with a shit or bust moment around the corner with Brexit. However if a half decent Brexit deal is agreed then the likes of John McGuinness will.put serious heat on Martin to pull the plug.


#5874

The likes of John McGuinness has been putting “serious heat” on MM, FF and anyone who’ll listen for about 10 years now. I can’t imagine MM is exactly shitting himself about him at this stage.


#5875

With a change of government is there not a change of advisers, civil servants etc? Cant imagine for instance FG retained the finance civil servants when they got elected into power in 2011. I know these days they like to keep journalists and spin doctors on the payroll but what happens the civil servants?


#5876

No hes not but the children’s hospital thing has taken on a life of its own and ff are coming under pressure from their own to pull out.
Like I said before Brexit is the only thing keeping the government together atm.


#5877

We all.have jobs for life and gold plated pensions pal.


#5878

Brexit is saving a lot these fuckers, I’d say there would have been an election only for it.

Did meehole martin really make a fuck up of the HSE or was it because Bertie stuck his fat head in and said there would be no redundancies?


#5879

I was alerted to this musing from Milton Friedman:

There are four ways in which you can spend money. You can spend your own money on yourself. When you do that, why then you really watch out what you’re doing, and you try to get the most for your money. Then you can spend your own money on somebody else. For example, I buy a birthday present for someone. Well, then I’m not so careful about the content of the present, but I’m very careful about the cost. Then, I can spend somebody else’s money on myself. And if I spend somebody else’s money on myself, then I’m sure going to have a good lunch! Finally, I can spend somebody else’s money on somebody else. And if I spend somebody else’s money on somebody else, I’m not concerned about how much it is, and I’m not concerned about what I get. And that’s government.


#5880

I’m not what the reporting structure from the HSE to the department of health looks like.ir is even supposed to look like. Similar to the Gardaí and the department of justice, I would guess there is little or no oversight coming from the department and hence minister.


#5881

Bertie wouldn’t have helped matters anyway. He was in bed with the unions.


#5882

He catfished them.


#5883

Which is why what you always hear is we need to spend more (as long as it’s someone else’s money). The reality is there is zero accountability in government, at any level. Spending on health care continues to increase in OECD countries with no improvement in outcomes, so the problem isn’t the amount spent.


#5884

Sounds like the conversation you had with the wife before Christmas


#5885

Still no repercussions from that episode


#5886

Sweep sweep


#5887

Irish Health Service is one of the best funded in the world.


#5888

Would i be wrong in my assumption that the staff in the various departments remain in place after a change of Government ?


#5889

You’re not wrong.