Ireland vs Israel - a calm discussion on the football only please

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Hon Bazunu! Doesn’t seem to have negatively affected his career so far.

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Unpopular opinion: I think that playing the game has done damage to the Israeli propaganda machine. I dont think the “sports-washing” has worked this week.

  • I base this just on my own review of the non-Irish parts or the internet. Ireland’s protests seem to have made a big impact.
  • On the Irish parts of the internet they keep saying “Israel win as soon as we take the pitch”. I think this has been said so many times that it’s become a truism. I don’t think it stands up to scrutiny.
  • We’re in a PR battle against the forces of genocide. That’s a horrible thought but it’s the reality of the situation. I think we won the PR battle this week. I think that on balances the PR forces of genocide took a step backwards.
  • As far as I can tell, the argument against playing is largrly based on an idea that this will lead to a mass boycott of other countries and Israel then being excluded from UEFA competitions. This seems entirely speculative and I can see no reality to that scenario at all.
  • It seems far more likely that Ireland would drop put and no-one else would care.
  • Look at Eurovision. A few countries dropped out but Israel and the rest of Europe didn’t care and just carried on with no shits given. Ireland is a far far bigger part of the Eurovision world than the football world, relatively speaking.
  • when you’re in a contest, you can throw it away by focusing on a big unrealistic knock-out punch. You’re often better off trying to win by increments.
  • I appreciate that’s frustrating because the rest of Europe are getting it so wrong. But maybe they’re catching up slowly.
  • In this PR contest, I think not playing it would do as much to isolate Ireland as Israel. That would damage the movement.
  • I fear that a lot of the people still completely focused on not playing the game can’t accept that things worked out a little different than they expected. But that happens in sports all the time.
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That prick Robert Kraft must of had a busy week in his Israeli bunker in foxborough. Botting shite about Ireland.

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You’re deluded.

It’s plain to see we have them on the run

Had chocolate wrists for West Ham’s winner when they played.

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Being on the other side of one of these group think type issues where only one opinion is seen as right gives you savage clarity of thought as a great man once said. More and more people are starting to see that STOPPING THE GAME was not the be all and end all solution to everything and that there are plenty of other correct things to do too.

This is it like, there can be more than way to approach a problem. So long as we at least agree on what the problem is, that’s the main thing.

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Throwing out David Quinn’s buzzword now, deary me.

The “genociders should get to play” brigade believe they are in the majority and yet that there is simultaneously “groupthink” against them.

Both can’t be true. Many would say neither are.

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Sorry, I should add one thing to this - I thought the FAI or government should have cancelled the game to protect the players.

Three Nations League points changed your opinion.

The same people who think a boycott won’t do anything to inconvenience Israel think three Nations League points will.

I think there was a definite groupthink on it, where only one decision the players could make was seen as right. I think a lot of people have softened that stance now though as things have played out. Tomorrow night will be interesting and what happens before and during the next Israel match if it goes ahead. It’s best to keep an open mind on it. No one thing that happens in a nations league group B match is going to end or help end a genocide so it’s best not to invest too much in it emotionally.

A lot of people have decided to engage in the groupthink that three Nations League points against a shower of genocidal scum justifies the genocidal scum’s participation in the competition.

It’s no different to the idea that the 1974 British Lions were somehow defeating apartheid by winning on the pitch.

If Ireland lose to Israel this Sunday you will see the same people who now think “I’m glad the match was played” do an about turn based on losing a match.

And doubling down on spectacularly missing the point.

Im not really glad the match was played I just think there were pros and cons to both approaches. It was a fairly unprecedented situation by any standard so I think confidently claiming one course of action was 100pc right or wrong is a bit silly.
Ken early was quite good on it post match on second captains.

Perhaps it was an unacceptable risk at the time but it ultimately worked out. Let it go.

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Risk of what?

Risk of losing a football match?

The result of a football match is irrelevant in this issue.

WE GO AGAIN

Christ almighty

Lads, what will we do, everybody could hear our supporters making monkey chants?

Oh, I know, we’ll say that THE IRISH made the monkey chants!

Great plan! Our agent in Ireland Ian O’Doherty will run with it!