Leinster Schools Rugby- Official Thread

The danger of SF in power and the removal of the State subvention to fee paying schools casts a pall over the whole competition.

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Fee paying schools can just up their fees surely? What’s the issue, it’s either worth it or it’s not.

Affordability is the issue.

Is that not the issue anyway? They are unaffordable for most people, so why should fee paying schools not open to those that can’t afford it, be subsidised by taxpayers of the state?

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Is that not the issue anyway? They are unaffordable for most people, so why should fee paying schools not open to those that can’t afford it, be subsidised by taxpayers of the state?
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I think the point is that if the schools become unaffordable they will just fall back into the state system and draw much more in the way of funds from the State. In being private and fee paying they actually save the State money.

A study was done a few years ago by Belvedere, fee paying schools save the state a lot of money net net. As it happens I remember working out the actual amounts going on education in some fee paying schools vs public ones, some fee paying kids have less money spent on their education than their public school equivalents.

There are also other benefits, for one thing it keeps our teaching profession relatively uniform. There are benefits to teaching in fee paying schools but they are not significant. The unionised standard pay across the board would go in a fully fledged fee paying sector.

Also contrary to popular belief, we are far from an outlier on this. The State supports these schools across the globe.

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So they like to say anyway. If say half of all the private schools had to close the state would be in basically the same position it is now in terms of funding (private schools get about half per student as public schools).
If the whole lot of them closed it would cost the state an additional €100m a year. But then there would be savings for the state in terms of additional capacity for the public system etc.

I’d rather the state didn’t subsidise rich peoples children getting a head start in life. They already have a head start, if they want more of a one they can pay the extra €4k a head per year themselves, if they don’t think it’s worth it and a few private schools, become public schools then so be it. If there’s a cost to the state for that, again, so be it.

Maybe if the school points table wasn’t dominated by private fee paying students having a leg up on the plebs, the country might be a better place

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I’m sure that’s a perfectly unbiased piece of work.

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CBC winning the Harty Cup would be seismic

I don’t think Belvedere would ever suffer tbh.

The DOE also ran a survey and said that it would cost the tax payer additional money too.

It makes sense, if you leave out the tax impact (which the €90m subvention does), half the pupils under your model brings it down to €45m. You then have to cover the gap between teacher ratios between fee paying and non fee paying (23:1 vs 19:1), capitation grants, educational support grants, JC grant, school book grant, TY grant, secretary grant, paying the Principal and most significantly, covering the full costs of facilities.

If there is a saving, the knock on impact won’t be as pretty. You’ll have a far more elitist system and you’ll have more teachers being pouched from the free sector.

Colaiste Eoin and Iosagain as well as Muckross Park are regularly in the top 10 and are free schools.

I think the issue is more down to geography. Most fee paying schools are in south Dublin and that’s really a quirk or a large Protestant population and at the time of free education, being the area with the most secondary schools and significant capital costs on those buildings that the State couldn’t afford.

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Looks like Stephen cluxton to me

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Those novelty astronaut suits must get fair hot to wear.

Corona mate

Newbridge beat st michaels in jct. Delighted.

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Rank outsiders Newbridge College have cut a 14-0 deficit back to 14-10, early in the second half against tournament favourites St Michael’s.

If the Muldoons won this it will be seismic Dan

Newbridge leading 18-17 with 15 to go. They’re a man down for the next 10 though.