Leinster Senior Schools Cup Rugby - Official Thread

A timely defence here from allegations of elitism against what is now the quintessentially working class sport, standing alongside the likes of the blue collar billionaire as one of the select choices for the masses.

The American comedian Stephen Colbert once observed: “Facts matter not at all, perception is everything. It’s certainty.”

It came to mind when thinking about the dog-eared assertion that fee-paying schools in Ireland – as determined by the Department of Education official listing for the Republic of Ireland (53) and the websites of the schools concerned in Northern Ireland – contribute more lavishly in terms of past pupils to the Ireland rugby senior team when weighed against the numbers furnished by non fee-paying establishments.

The facts differ somewhat from the perception.
So for the purposes of this column, the sample figure is the last 100 players to be capped by Ireland at senior level. It dates back to a Test match against Japan in Tokyo, 2005, when former St Mary’s College, Leinster and Munster centre cum wing Kieran Lewis became the 990th player to be capped by Ireland.

Taking the story up to date is Leinster hooker James Tracy, who became the 1089th to represent his country when coming on as a replacement last November against Canada.

Eight players made their Ireland debuts against the Canucks that day at the Aviva Stadium but their order of listing is determined by those in the starting line-up before replacements and then alphabetically by surname and initials.

Queering the pitch slightly in this defined sampling is a third category, the number of foreign-born players who weren’t educated at second level in Ireland. They are grouped together as a separate entity rather than split between the fee-paying and non fee-playing categories. As the accompanying graphic indicates, there are 18 dating back to Isaac Boss with the most recent debutants Sean Reidy, Quinn Roux and Finlay Bealham.

So arguably the most interesting figure is that players from fee-paying schools number 46 – it’s important to clarify this is not predicated on rugby being the primary sport in the school – just 10 ahead of their non fee-paying brethren (36), some of whom would have rugby as the main sport.
Indeed the school with the single biggest contribution (seven players) to the list of the last 100 capped for Ireland is the non fee-paying, St Munchin’s College in Limerick, the alma mater of Conor Murray, Damien Varley, Denis Hurley, Donnacha Ryan, Keith Earls, Barry Murphy and Jerry Flannery.

They are two past pupils clear in the pecking order of the Blackrock quintet of Garry Ringrose, Joey Carbery (he moved to the school for sixth year), Jordi Murphy, Ian Madigan and Luke Fitzgerald.

CBC Cork, Clongowes and St Mary’s have contributed four, while Newbridge, Belvedere, St Michael’s, Gonzaga, Methody and Ardscoil Rís have three apiece.

In all, 42 players of the last 100 to don a green jersey come from just 11 schools, nine of those fee-paying, two non fee-paying. However the Ireland rugby team during the specified period of just over 11½ years, draws down in player terms from 46 different schools with diverse sporting pedigrees, and certainly not all by any means that play competitive rugby.

Tralee CBS (Ultan Dillane), Ballincollig Community School (James Cronin), Coláiste Dun Iascaigh, Cahir (Tommy O’Donnell), St Colman’s College, Fermoy (Mike Ross) and St Mary’s Diocesan School, Drogheda (Niall Ronan) all list rugby as one of their extracurricular activities. It wouldn’t constitute the primary sport in any way but does serve to illustrate that more than a smattering of the internationals come from outside the mainstream rugby schools.

It should also reinforce the important role that clubs play in the development of young players, something that’s occasionally subsumed by the emphasis on the contribution of the schools in playing numbers to the national team.

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I posted that earlier…fantastic article. Only reinforces what we both know but the lemmings on here are only too happy to stick with the sheepskin coat hooray Henry stereotype

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Blackrock 12-7 Terenure HT in today’s 1/4 final.

Holders Belvedere beat St Michael’s 29-18 in the first of the quarter finals yesterday.

I presume this won the live television popularity contest?

is this the LSC version of the El Classico Sid?

It’s not just El Clasico, it’s El Superclasico, and then some more.

No, the free FB game was yesterday’s match.

Blackrock leading 19-7 now.

Rock leading 22-7 on the hour mark. This one is done and dusted.

Geoffrey

How does this Rock side rate ??

Rock did a 4 in a row in the Junior Cup from 2013-16.

I can only see one winner on March 17.

I fancy (hope) the Belvo experience will win out.

Underage success does nor guarantee victory in the Senior Cup. I know we are looking at another sport but three u21 hurling for Limerick from 2000 to 2002 yielded no senior win.

For the Blackrock College Senior Cup team, the most successful team in Irish sport it usually does. 68 titles and counting. The Limerick senior hurling team and all their hard luck stories and calamities this ain’t.

Since the turn of the new Millenium there has been a much more competitive tournament . Of course Blackrock are still the standard bearers and no sporting entity has achieved such a level of dominance in elite sport on this Island over a century plus. However other schools are now striving to reach the level of Blackrock. .

It’s basically been like that since the 60s. The majority of their titles came before then.

Clongowes 14 St Marys 0 HT in Donnybrook.

Clongowes 21 St Marys 14 FT

Pity that . I always admire St Mary’s for producing great players . The 2002 team inspired by Jonny and the Denis Hickie inspired 1994 team contribute greatly to the lore of this iconic tournament .

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Mcgrath and sexton the only alumni they have in the Leinster squad? Poor representation for a while now.