Christians with dirty clothes they wanted laundered.
I remember going up with my mother to the Good Shepherd to get things like tablecloths, sheets, bedspreads, blankets and eiderdowns laundered. Things that would have been hard to launder at home.
You’ve been making snide remarks about these laundries for a while now, is this you trying to be controversial? If so please leave that kind of stuff to Fran, it doesn’t suit you. Or have you some repressed memory or rage you would like to share with the board?
Don’t bother. It is a very very poorly written report that does a disservice to the truth. Very poor methodology employed, not enough specifics, not enough identification of the vetting degrees of abuse that occurred at the various laundries. If a young graduate wrote they wouldn’t get hired again.
Sorry, that was a statement of fact, not an attempt to be snide.
How do you know what the truth is in this matter?
What?! What has that to with anything?! If I don’t personally know the truth about all of this I should shut up like a good little catholic like yourself?
The report is very poor. Many detailed accounts have been given elsewhere of the abuse that occurred in specific laundries, McAleese’s report gives very short quotes from survivors that are taken out of context, and gives far longer quotes from more irrelevant testimonies elsewhere. It doesn’t identify any particular laundries but rather talks about the laundries as a whole, a glaring problem for this type of report.
So you are saying the report does a disservice to the truth but you don’t know what the truth is. If you don’t know what the truth is how do you know that the report is a disservice to it?
No laundry could ever clean the stain this shameful past has left on our nation
My Dad had an elderly aunt who was a nun. We sometimes visited her in the convent and we were invariably served up cracking dinners. The table cloths and napkins and cutlery were absolutely spotless too. All I’m saying is there needs to be some balance here - a lot of fine work went on in those convents.
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What?! I’ve just explained it to you! It gives far less detail of the the abuse that occurred than accounts elsewhere have done and doesn’t identify what happened where or name particular laundries or orders. It also doesn’t examine the accounts of the laundries in any detail. So there are more detailed accounts available elsewhere and the report leaves open more questions than it answers. That is a disservice to the truth whether or not a full account of everything that happened exists up in my head.
[quote=“glasagusban, post: 739313, member: 1533”]What?! What has that to with anything?! If I don’t personally know the truth about all of this I should shut up like a good little catholic like yourself?
The report is very poor. Many detailed accounts have been given elsewhere of the abuse that occurred in specific laundries, McAleese’s report gives very short quotes from survivors that are taken out of context, and gives far longer quotes from more irrelevant testimonies elsewhere. It doesn’t identify any particular laundries but rather talks about the laundries as a whole, a glaring problem for this type of report.[/quote]
Absolutely spot on. Having read it, it’s actually little more than a series of generalisations with little specific analysis of this scandal. With all due respect, Dr. Martin McAleese was a very strange choice to head this up given his fundamentalist Catholic background and ethos.
Also noticeable that Judge John Quirke has been tasked to focus on redress aspects as the report ignores any such departure.
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The church/convets etc etc have not released any of their records and in fact will not respond to the slightest inquiry about past nuns or persons who were in these institutions, even if you were just say tracing some family history such as Bandage’s lovely aunt, they are so paranoid.Therefore, where is McAleese getting his info, from the state and survivors ? And I agree, letting a staunch catholic head up the report was a joke…
Apparently socres of women committed suicide in these places but again it was covered up, but giving the gardai the powers to return a ‘run awy’ back to one of these hell holes is mind blowing shit and shows that state and society at large are just as culpable. I caught a bit of one of these ladies talking on the radio earlier and she spoke about going to England after finally getting out of one of these labour camps, but when the troubles and anti Irish sentiment were at their height decided to come home- Upon which some government department, social welfare I think- Asked why she had come home, did a background check and told her I know about your sort, we don’t want your sort in this country and that she would be better off going back to England- That was 1979, not a thousand years ago. The layers of prejudice and involvment is mind blowing and the control the church had over the midset of the people is Nazi-esque. Fagan, as part of that generation is no doubt guilt ridden, and rightly so.
[quote=“ChocolateMice, post: 739335, member: 168”]The church/convets etc etc have not released any of their records and in fact will not respond to the slightest inquiry about past nuns or persons who were in these institutions, even if you were just say tracing some family history such as Bandage’s lovely aunt, they are so paranoid.Therefore, where is McAleese getting his info, from the state and survivors ? And I agree, letting a staunch catholic head up the report was a joke…
Apparently socres of women committed suicide in these places but again it was covered up, but giving the gardai the powers to return a ‘run awy’ back to one of these hell holes is mind blowing shit and shows that state and society at large are just as culpable. I caught a bit of one of these ladies talking on the radio earlier and she spoke about going to England after finally getting out of one of these labour camps, but when the troubles and anti Irish sentiment were at their height decided to come home- Upon which some government department, social welfare I think- Asked why she had come home, did a background check and told her I know about your sort, we don’t want your sort in this country and that she would be better off going back to England- That was 1979, not a thousand years ago. The layers of prejudice and involvment is mind blowing and the control the church had over the midset of the people is Nazi-esque. Fagan, as part of that generation is no doubt guilt ridden, and rightly so.[/quote]
Worth a glance below CM, the report actually went beyond its remit and presented arguments made by the religious orders in relation to various aspects, none of which were subjected to much scrutiny. On the other hand, survivors who gave testimony are sparsely quoted and not even named. In fact only McAleese met with a few of them, and the rest of the committee didn’t. And you’re right, Fagan probably has some connection to the laundries in somewhere in his sordid past and hence his delusional views on the issue which are probably taken to assuage his own conscience.
http://www.humanrights.ie/index.php/2013/02/08/critiquing-the-mcaleese-report/
Barry Scott would beg to differ.
BANG! and the Nuns are gone.
Its mad reading some of the things being said “Laundries the nations shame” etc. At the end of the day its the Catholic Church that is to blame for everything and they should be held accountable for all of this.
They killed the Dinosaurs too. Cunts.
Another day, another church scandal…
It seems the Pope stepped down due to uncovering a gay plot from within the vatican… It seems many of his cardinals are planning on going against the churces stance on homosexuality and the ex nazi could not abide by this.