Ah stop. That’s hilarious. We are not happy with the football. Let’s get Moyes 
I think Moyes is a very good manager and he will do fine there. But if there was anyone in the league who could rival Dyche for shit football it’s him.
The history with everton makes it make sense in a way. But only in a football thinking way. Not in any sort of logical way.
Going back rarely ends well.
If I was Moyes I’d take a one year deal and leave in the summer
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Jose’s name was thrown around for this job. Would have played shit football but generate a bit of buzz. Like appointing Davy Fitz
That’s what a taxi man in Liverpool said to me last November when I asked him if he’d take Moyes back. He also said that himself and the son support Ireland in international football because of Coleman. They wouldn’t bother with England at all.
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Jose would be great craic in fairness. A club with no expectations would suit him and he’d drive lads demented
Fuck me if that stutterdy, jittery unreliable front-line forward Mossy Quinn has rocked up as CEO of Shelbourne FC.
He previously held some kind of serious* portfolio at GAA HQ….
- Unsure if such a thing exists apart from the Úachtaráin’s role. Tips cap.
You’d run through a wall for this guy.
These lads are delusional. Rooney another. “if the right club appears etc…”
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At least Keane has faced reality and said that he is unlikely to manage again.
I think if Rooney took it seriously enough he could cut be half decent but Gerrard hasn’t a clue.
I haven’t seen the latest Rooney interview on the Overlap. Does Keane have a cut off him saying he is not up to it?
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No high level UK/Eire footballer of the generation 98% of people on this forum have grown up watching football in (ie. 1985 to present) is capable of being a successful Premier League manager. It’s quite simple. None of them have the intellect or will to dedicate themselves fully to it and none of them have the man management qualities and you need all of those.
The reason is quite simple. They come from Murdochland, which assumed its full dominance over Britain and indeed association football culture in Eire from about 1979 on. Murdochland was explicitly anti-intellectual. It sneered at the idea of working class intelligence and told the working classes that their designated role in life was to be boorish and yobbish and to embrace ignorance as the central, defining facet of their personality. It taught them to be individualists and consumers which rejected class solidarity or any human solidarity outside of drinking or glorifying Empire and rich people.
Any high level UK/Eire footballer whose formative years were from 1979 onwards is a product of Thatcherite tabloid culture. Even the ones who outwardly hate that culture, like Gary Neville.
The most one of these people can ever achieve is a short lived run with a relegation struggler or a good run in the Championship in a short term basis like Gary O’Neil or Scott Parker and those lads too get found out when they stop flying under the radar.
Or be a figurehead statesman at the much lower tactical level of the national team if you’re Gareth Southgate, who somehow grew up in a time machine where it was 1961, and who had everything it took to be a BBC Regional News presenter for Surrey.
The idea that Frank Lampard or Steven Gerrard or Roy Keane or Wayne Rooney or anybody else from that generation will be a successful manager at a high level is the same thinking that gave us Brexit and Trump.
Gary Neville looked by far to be the player from that generation who had the best chance of making a half decent manager because he’s smart and has a personality which can persuade people, and he failed spectacularly.
British football management now is basically dying off, the last remnants of it being David Moyes, Roy Hodgson, Sam Allardyce and maybe a couple of others who grew up in the post-war welfare state Britain as opposed to Thatcherland.
The Eddie Howes and the Graham Potters and the Paul Clements and the Anthony Barrys, the MODERN English guys who are a bit “bookish” and whose USP is that they don’t come from that English tabloid culture, they’re just cheap knock offs of the superior continental options, and they’ll always fail when asked to move up a level too.
Ends.
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So smart that he called for Eric Ten Hag to be given a new contract in the summer.
When Gary Neville started off doing analysis he was light years better at it than anybody in England since maybe Jimmy Hill in his progressive, intellectual heyday, before he became a senile hankerer for Empire.
Neville understood the game deeply and he was brilliant at giving insight to the viewer in a new, fresh way that hadn’t been done before.
The start of his decline was when Jamie Carragher came on the scene and the two of them became Statler and Waldorf. It became all about Liverpool v Manchester United bunfights, who can roar loudest when a goal for either went in.
This was Murdochland re-assuming its dominance and giving the public what Murdochland said the public wanted.
Neville couldn’t help but fall into the trap of being MANCHSTA YOU-NIGH-ID MAN because Carragher was LIVERPOOL MAN.
MANCHSTA YOU-NIGH-ID MAN is a always a TOP RED and Top Reds BACK THEIR MANAGER.
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No it’s not that. The problem is that there is an automatic assumption that a top player will become a top manager. Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard etc. They get landed into big jobs without the necessary practical on the ground experience. They might have done a couple of courses and got badges but they’d be better off working as assistants for a few years.
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You’re way overstating Neville there.
At the end of the day he called for Ten Hag to get a contract extension when he ended up being correctly sacked a few months later. He also said England would win the 2020 Euros because they had Gareth Southgate was their manager and none of the other countries had a manager as good. Of course the opposite was the case.
He’s a spoofer.
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There’s been a crop of good to passable managers emerge from the Wee Six over the last 15 or 30 years. First Martin O’Neill, then Brendan Rodgers, Michael O’Neill and Neil Lennon. They are all Catholics. This is not a coincidence.
Consider two cultures. i) Catholics growing up in the North from the 1960s to the 1990s were the one group in the UK where solidarity still remained the dominant theme in young people growing up, and a fierce sense of rage and injustice against the British ruling class, the media that represented it and all it preached burned with anger. Its revenge could be bombs and guns, but more so its revenge could be about getting educated and being smarter than your oppressor.
ii) This was similar to how the dominant culture of the British working classes in the mid part of the 20th century was formed by key 1930s events like the Jarrow March, the Battle of Cable Street and the general labour movement. It was about solidarity, sticking together, raging against injustice and dire working and housing conditions. All this informed a working class education as a thing to aspire to, if not from books – though working class education through being book smart was a real thing in this era – then through learning about injustice through real life, a street education, but a smart one with a heart.
That great British working class culture produced the great British football managers and the great British music of our time.
Martin O’Neill was very much a product of the first culture but he absorbed the best elements of second culture too when he went to play football in England. He absorbed Clough and he absorbed the law and the justice system and he absorbed intellect.
Rodgers and Michael O’Neill were later products of the first culture even if they were diplomatic about it. The key principles of that culture informed them. Revenge through education and smarts while always appreciating the creation of solidarity.
Lennon is not an intellectual, but the anger and the rage and thus the solidarity he lived growing up drove his management at its best. He was a bit similar to Roy Keane in his management style. But the intellectual leap the game took meant he could never be a real top level manager, and the frustration he and Keane felt because they knew they were outgunned intellectually by Ye Nouveau Continental Manager drove their decline into crankiness and poor man-management.
Lennon would have been a great manager had he existed as a manager in 1982. O’Neill would have won European Cups had he existed as a First Division Manager in 1982.
Neville’s analysis early doors was incredible.
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It is that. British football management has fallen off a cliff because the continental lads are way smarter and have less notions about themselves.
You can put Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard, Keane etc. through all the courses you like, they’ll still never make it as good managers.