Manchester United 2014/15

[QUOTE=“Juhniallio, post: 998389, member: 53”]John Nicholson from football 365. Sums up what I think about United this season.

This time last year David Moyes was collecting his first Manchester United trophy and United fans everywhere were busy telling us that he was the man to build a new United empire. Those who saw Moyes for the limited and self-evidently inappropriate choice he clearly was, knew it would end badly, but United fans wouldn’t have it. They were blind to what most of us could see: the inappropriate track record, the lack of success and the fear in his eyes. When we said he’d turn them into Everton, the majority of United fans didn’t believe us. They said we were just blindly bigoted against United, but with delicious irony, the lack of sight was in their own eyes. They stood, self-appointed in the role of being against the immediacy of the modern world; except they weren’t and that was frankly a daft notion, anyway.

They wanted to give Moyes time. ‘He needs at least 18 months,’ one reader declared about 12 months ago. Imagine that. Moyes still in charge of United until after Christmas. Ridiculous. But, as many of us knew it would be, that was all forgotten as results nose-dived. Moyes should have been hounded out by outraged supporters by Christmas; only blind loyalty prevented that from being the case. They must take much of the blame for the failures in the second half of the season.

But that’s the trouble with tribal loyalty to a football club - it blinds you to things which are obvious to outsiders. So many United fans totally misunderstood how inappropriate Moyes was. All they wanted to do was brand critics as ABUs and that shut down the validity of the criticism in their mind, but we were right and they were wrong and their humiliation was season-long, so it has understandably made them view success this season as unlikely. They fear embracing a new manager having had their blind faith abused so recently.

But it shouldn’t.

Those seeing this season as a desperate scramble for fourth are underestimating their own side just as they over-estimated Moyes. They are once again blind to the realities. They have cause to know more than most just how quickly things can change in football. Just as their decline may have seemed unlikely 12 months ago, a climb back to the top now also seems equally unimaginable to many of them.

But it’s not.

It shouldn’t be forgotten that United played much worse than their par last year. Moyes wasn’t just a poor manager in terms of training and tactics, he stripped the belief out of the club. Everything Moyes and his staff did was wrong. Don’t let history be re-written, the side that Moyes inherited - while not the finest ever - was a damn good side. No side wins the league which isn’t a damn good side. The wholesale destruction turned them from winners to losers, but they were not innately as bad as he’d made them. That seventh-place finish is fooling a lot of fans into thinking there is a much bigger climb back to the top than is the reality.

If you can go from first to seventh with largely the same squad, you can certainly go from seventh to first with an improved set of players, especially when lack of European football will prove a huge advantage later in the campaign. Liverpool almost did it last year without a defence. This United side is still substantially a title-winning side. That seems to be forgotten. Older players have been replaced, better players added. There are question marks in some areas, there always are, but the negativity that Moyes brought to the club will not be repeated now that a grown-up not imbued with awe and fear is at the helm.

United fans shouldn’t let the same ridiculous, blinkered attitude that led them to believe Moyes was The Chosen One (and doesn’t that still sound hilarious?), lead them to believe United have no chance of winning the title this year. That would be a big, big mistake. They’re not coming from as far back as it would appear. United are viable title challengers this year just as they would have been last year if they had not taken any notice of the previous manager’s daft notion to appoint someone who had never won a trophy. ABUs should take no comfort from last year. United, with Louis Van Gaal in charge are already back and make no mistake, they’ll take some stopping.[/QUOTE]
What a cunt of a man. I don’t know where to start on that. Fucking hell.

[QUOTE=“Juhniallio, post: 998389, member: 53”]John Nicholson from football 365. Sums up what I think about United this season.

This time last year David Moyes was collecting his first Manchester United trophy and United fans everywhere were busy telling us that he was the man to build a new United empire. Those who saw Moyes for the limited and self-evidently inappropriate choice he clearly was, knew it would end badly, but United fans wouldn’t have it. They were blind to what most of us could see: the inappropriate track record, the lack of success and the fear in his eyes. When we said he’d turn them into Everton, the majority of United fans didn’t believe us. They said we were just blindly bigoted against United, but with delicious irony, the lack of sight was in their own eyes. They stood, self-appointed in the role of being against the immediacy of the modern world; except they weren’t and that was frankly a daft notion, anyway.

They wanted to give Moyes time. ‘He needs at least 18 months,’ one reader declared about 12 months ago. Imagine that. Moyes still in charge of United until after Christmas. Ridiculous. But, as many of us knew it would be, that was all forgotten as results nose-dived. Moyes should have been hounded out by outraged supporters by Christmas; only blind loyalty prevented that from being the case. They must take much of the blame for the failures in the second half of the season.

But that’s the trouble with tribal loyalty to a football club - it blinds you to things which are obvious to outsiders. So many United fans totally misunderstood how inappropriate Moyes was. All they wanted to do was brand critics as ABUs and that shut down the validity of the criticism in their mind, but we were right and they were wrong and their humiliation was season-long, so it has understandably made them view success this season as unlikely. They fear embracing a new manager having had their blind faith abused so recently.

But it shouldn’t.

Those seeing this season as a desperate scramble for fourth are underestimating their own side just as they over-estimated Moyes. They are once again blind to the realities. They have cause to know more than most just how quickly things can change in football. Just as their decline may have seemed unlikely 12 months ago, a climb back to the top now also seems equally unimaginable to many of them.

But it’s not.

It shouldn’t be forgotten that United played much worse than their par last year. Moyes wasn’t just a poor manager in terms of training and tactics, he stripped the belief out of the club. Everything Moyes and his staff did was wrong. Don’t let history be re-written, the side that Moyes inherited - while not the finest ever - was a damn good side. No side wins the league which isn’t a damn good side. The wholesale destruction turned them from winners to losers, but they were not innately as bad as he’d made them. That seventh-place finish is fooling a lot of fans into thinking there is a much bigger climb back to the top than is the reality.

If you can go from first to seventh with largely the same squad, you can certainly go from seventh to first with an improved set of players, especially when lack of European football will prove a huge advantage later in the campaign. Liverpool almost did it last year without a defence. This United side is still substantially a title-winning side. That seems to be forgotten. Older players have been replaced, better players added. There are question marks in some areas, there always are, but the negativity that Moyes brought to the club will not be repeated now that a grown-up not imbued with awe and fear is at the helm.

United fans shouldn’t let the same ridiculous, blinkered attitude that led them to believe Moyes was The Chosen One (and doesn’t that still sound hilarious?), lead them to believe United have no chance of winning the title this year. That would be a big, big mistake. They’re not coming from as far back as it would appear. United are viable title challengers this year just as they would have been last year if they had not taken any notice of the previous manager’s daft notion to appoint someone who had never won a trophy. ABUs should take no comfort from last year. United, with Louis Van Gaal in charge are already back and make no mistake, they’ll take some stopping.[/QUOTE]
Jesus that is fucking terrible. His articles are normally ok but there is some much bullshit in that you have to wonder if he’s on the wind up.

He mentions that he was right about Moyes in practically every paragraph in the article.

How do Manchester United supporters feel playing 5 at the back will go?

Most people thought Moyes was the wrong appointment at the time though, including every United fan I know. He was hardly a lone dissenting voice.

[QUOTE=“Bartosz Bereszynskiego, post: 998685, member: 9”]He mentions that he was right about Moyes in practically every paragraph in the article.

How do Manchester United supporters feel playing 5 at the back will go?[/QUOTE]

I’m hopeful. Shaw seems to be excellent going forward and Rafael is certainly better attacking than defending so you could see that working. I’m a big believer in both Jones and Smalling and feel that once they get comfortable with it it will suit them very well. Obviously, Jones needs to stop injuring himself throwing himself at the ball/opposition. Evans was very good the season before last and needs to reach that level again. We desperately need cover there but I imagine LVG has some irons in a dutch oven somewhere on this front. I imagine it will take time for them to get used to the system but by october we should be looking settled there.

It’s the change in attitude in general play and the actual use of tactics and a method of attacking which I’m really looking forward to. Mata and Rooney seem to be getting on well. Herrera has been good and even Ashley young looks like the good player he occasionally has been for United. Roll on the weekend.

Wayne Rooney has been named Manchester United captain by manager Louis van Gaal, the club have announced

To Wazza, mufc through and through :clap:

[QUOTE=“myboyblue, post: 999291, member: 180”]Wayne Rooney has been named Manchester United captain by manager Louis van Gaal, the club have announced

To Wazza, mufc through and through :clap:[/QUOTE]
Wazza 10 years at United. No other choice really. Fletcher as vice. He will lead United to the title in May thats for sure. :clap:

[QUOTE=“Juhniallio, post: 998716, member: 53”]I’m hopeful. Shaw seems to be excellent going forward and Rafael is certainly better attacking than defending so you could see that working. I’m a big believer in both Jones and Smalling and feel that once they get comfortable with it it will suit them very well. Obviously, Jones needs to stop injuring himself throwing himself at the ball/opposition. Evans was very good the season before last and needs to reach that level again. We desperately need cover there but I imagine LVG has some irons in a dutch oven somewhere on this front. I imagine it will take time for them to get used to the system but by october we should be looking settled there.

It’s the change in attitude in general play and the actual use of tactics and a method of attacking which I’m really looking forward to. Mata and Rooney seem to be getting on well. Herrera has been good and even Ashley young looks like the good player he occasionally has been for United. Roll on the weekend.[/QUOTE]

I think United will benefit hugely from the easy start. Build momentum, confidence - basically what Liverpool did last season. The switch to three at the back seems strange to me given the shortage of defenders but one thing about Van Gaal is that you can be sure that was analysed to death, and he has won the league in every country he has been.

His career since 2000 apart from Bayern Munich has been less than stellar

Yes, but thankfully, his reputation has been greatly enhanced by his run with Holland in the world cup and players worked their balls off for him in preseason. They believe in him and that’s crucial.

True enough. Personality seems big enough Moyes never had that

Reported on the news that Rojo is on the way from lisbon. Wasn’t overly impressed with him in the world cup but we certainly need defenders and I’m sure Van Gaal could get a tune out of him.

They need some defenders alright. Tonight Evans, Shaw, Rafael and Valencia were all missing. Blackett did well and will probably start on Saturday.

Did we sign Arturo yet?

Don’t think Vidal will leave Juve so soon.

Won the league with AZ in Holland.

Apparently done deal, 53m: the united way

Hard to know, it’s often a case of hair today, gone tomorrow for a lot players these days

A long but very well put together article by Jonathon Liew about Louis Van Gaal

http://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/projects/the-van-gaal-dossier/index.html#intro

I see FOTF Raymond Verheijen tore into Van Gaal on twitter yesterday for his treatment of Luke Shaw. Bringing him back early from holidays. Telling him he’s not fit enough. Making him undergo gruelling double sessions. Building up muscle fatigue. Bang. Out for a month with a hamstring tear. Way to damage the confidence of a new signing.