November Rugby Internationals (On the sesh with the Goys)

Media reaction all very negative. Team past its best and a refresh badly needed seems to be the consensus.

I see Farrell was positive about Crowley. He said he made the right the decisions. Fan of Crowley but don’t think he did, three times in attacking positions in around the 22 he tried kicks, two “grubbers” and one over the top, none of them came off. Thought they were poor. Maybe it was the game plan? Looked like he was trying to force things that weren’t on.

However, the floodgates only opened after prendergast came on so I think it’s important to keep in mind how bad he is.

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A lot of workons for the remainder of the Autumn Test Matches. Important seeding points at stake

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Joe molloy, “rud” and Madigan coming both barrelled for Crowley.

Pointing at Gary ringroses form for the lions with Finn Russell inside him as an example of where are Ireland are going wrong,

Ringrose looks like a lad who needs a handy year in Japan before the World Cup. He’s the best centre but he looks fucked.

All Blacks do it the whole time.

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I think Garrry has really dropped off since the World Cup in a similar fashion to Hansen, Lowe and Bundee. Between Ringer and Henshaw they both seem to me like fellas paying the price for a lot of milage at a young age.

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Ireland improved immeasurably during the era when the diminutive Peter Stringer was at scrum-half. Faf De Klerk is tiny too. But crucially he’s very muscular.

The pitch looked an absolute state too with the NFL markings on it. It wasn’t aesthetically pleasing at all. A November test international should be played in the dark in a ye old Northern Hemisphere rugby venue. Chicago felt a bit gimmicky.

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Looked like NZ were targeting his shooting out of the line in defense by the end.

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I hope @Bandage remains in industry with views like that.

Games changed, changed irrevocably. Schmidtball changed everything

A director of rugby role in Blackrock or Michael’s would suit him down to the ground.

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A lot of synergy between leadership in big business and in the sheds

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Historically, not picking up the Gallagher cup has you on the back foot for the whole month

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A massive setback for the morale of the country after Shane O’Brien and co brought home the Mowi Quaich Cup last week

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Rúaidhrí O’Connor

If rugby is to realise its American dream, then it must learn the lessons from Saturday’s farce at Soldier Field quickly.

Commercially, Ireland and New Zealand can declare their visit to Chicago a success, but those who attended the game will think twice about returning given the elements of the event that took away from the experience.

On Friday, IRFU chief executive Kevin Potts and his New Zealand counterpart Mark Robinson flanked World Rugby chief Alan Gilpin as they outlined their plan to conquer America ahead of the 2031 World Cup.

The strategy involved Tier One nations taking out of window international games to the USA, with Ireland committed to staging one match a year there until 2031.

Aided by their central control of players which allows them to pull their stars from the provinces outside of the World Rugby windows, the IRFU and NZRU are both ahead of the curve in this regard.

Saturday’s game was the most lucrative in New Zealand’s history outside of their home Lions Tests in 2017, while Ireland brought home close to what they would normally earn from a home match at Lansdowne Road.

Each union got 40 per cent of the revenues, with a third party taking home the rest.

The fans we spoke to in Chicago, some of whom had paid $750 per ticket, sounded like they’d take some convincing to return after what they experienced.

Despite the extensive knowledge in both unions, Soldier Field did not appear to be prepared for what it was hosting.

The venue is the oldest stadium in the NFL and it’s showing its age, the pitch is not in good condition and the narrow dimensions didn’t help the two teams play the type of rugby that might engage a local audience.

Having attended a Blackhawks’ game in midweek and watched NFL and the World Series games on television, it was galling to see the drop-off in production values in the stadium and on the box.

The singer hired to perform the New Zealand national anthem had to suffer through an interminable wait before the music played, then got some of the Maori words wrong.

After Barry Murphy had nailed ‘Ireland’s Call’, the All Blacks lined up for the haka to the sound of ‘Another Day in Paradise’ by Phil Collins, which only cut off after they’d settled into their formation.

At half-time, there were reports of long queues for the bathrooms and before the game they ran out of Guinness.

But the main issue of course was the five-minute wait for a decision on Tadhg Beirne’s high tackle on Beauden Barrett, the lack of available replays for referee Pierre Brousset and the absence of communication with the people who had shelled out for flights and tickets to be there.

The lack of replays on the big screen was due to the stadium using a separate feed to show crowd shots during breaks in play, rather than the international broadcast feed that would have allowed the referee and the fans see what Beirne had done.

After Brousset had reviewed the incident VAR-style, there was no facility for him to relay his decision to the crowd over the tannoy.

That’s despite rugby getting the idea of broadcasting the referee to the stadium from American sports.

Throw in the cheap looking graphics, poor camera angles and a lack of replays and the folks back home were left frustrated too.

Ultimately, the sport could have rescued everything as it did in 2016 when the teams produced a thriller.

But from the early stages you could tell this wasn’t going to be a classic, the long stoppage for the TMO review only exacerbating a stop-start game full of mistakes.

Whatever about New Zealand, Ireland were being sent out into a game without being up to match fitness and that’s another element of the event being undermined by the organisers.

With the 2031 World Cup in mind, the most worrying element of the weekend was Scotland putting more than 80 points on the US Eagles.

Staging a tournament without a competitive host will be a huge ask.

Yet even if the States had a team capable of going toe-to-toe with the best, it’s not going to work unless the venues are set up properly for the sport, broadcasters understand it and the fan experience is on a level that’s at least close to the NFL, the NHL, MLB and the NBA.

After all, the 2031 World Cup will go up against all four major sports leagues in September and October, as well as the behemoth that is college football which also runs at the same time.

Those factors make rugby’s attempts to break America look like a real long shot, but they’ve got to help themselves by learning the lessons of last Saturday.

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What sort of a cretin would pay €750 to watch a friendly?

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KPMG?

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I lolled at that.

As if this was some excercise to “grow the game” in America. :joy::joy:

It was a fleecing of supporters and milking of corporate sponsors

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That has given me a good chuckle this evening… we had Johnny waterways sticking his chest out last week crowing about the merits of rubby - of course all in comparison to soccer.

Not only did ireland embarrass themselves, it turns out rubby as a whole did.

Bravo :clap:

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