Re: Champions League draw

Upon mature recollection (didn?t Brian Lenihan say this once?) I think what happens is that UEFA have already decided the match sequence as in match day 1 it?s 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 and match day 2 it?s 1 vs 3 and 2 vs 4 or whatever. Then the groups are drawn with all the 4th seeds first out, working all the way up to 1st seeds and making adjustments for pairings from the same countries and then splitting the teams from the same countries between Tuesdays and Wednesdays.

Then, when all the groups are drawn I think there is another draw to assign the teams their number. This has nothing to do with seedings ? it?s just a way of organising the sequence of games so Celtic could be 1, 2, 3 or 4. In that way I don?t think it?s safe to start booking until this has been done but if I?m wrong it?ll be apparent early doors anyway as UEFA usually have a dude up on stage who will explain the workings of the draw before it commences. The bhoys are debating where?s safe to travel and where?s not, stories of past beatings etc etc. Makes for decent reading.

And no, don’t remember the discussion in Kehoe’s at all!

Pot 1:
Barcelona
AC Milan
Real Madrid
Inter
Liverpool
Arsenal
Manchester United
Valencia

Pot 2:
Olympique Lyon
FC Porto
PSV Eindhoven
Bayern M?nchen
Chelsea
AS Roma
Celtic
Lille OSC

Pot 3:
Sporting Lisbon
Benfica
Girondins Bordeaux
Steaua Bucuresti
Werder Bremen
Olympiakos
CSKA Moscow
AEK Athens

Pot 4:
Anderlecht
Dinamo Kiev
Levski Sofia
Shakhtar Donetsk
Galatasaray
Hamburger SV
Spartak Moscow
FC Copenhagen

Starting to get really nervous about a few things now.

Here in my Celtic tie all giddy about the draw, singing the Jan Venegoor of Hesselink dance remix song that I downloaded last night

?na nananana nananana
Jan Venegoor
Venegoor of Hesselink

na nananana nananana
Jan Venegoor
Venegoor of Hesselink?

Keep repeating ad nauseum. It?s a cracker to the tune of some dance anthem from a while back.

But the fooker hasn?t officially signed yet despite all the media outlets in Scotland saying it?s done. Get him signed now.

Also, tense now about the draw. Bhoy, would I take Copenhagen from Pot 4, Steaua or one of the Greek sides from Pot 3 and I?d love a trip to the Nou Camp or somewhere but I?d love another ?Battle of Britain? clash where everyone will be really condescending towards Celtic and then they’d have the smirk wiped off their faces.

Bring it on. Signing Tommy Gravesen today would be sweet too.

I hope we get one of the english teams in pot 1. There are some possible tricky away ties in Pot 4 Kiev, Donetsk, Galatasaray and Moscow. We are due a kind draw after some of the shockers we’ve had in the past. Liverpool, Bordeaux and Copenhagen is who I’d like to get.

Absolutely bricking it now ahead of the draw. I feel sick to the pit of my stomach and haven?t felt this bad since a girl broke my heart one time!

Is the fact that Curly’s name is up top as the latest member bringing back difficult memories Bandage?

Very funny lawman but not her. A different one!

I’m like Dan Baker just waiting to find my Leah!

So long, I can’t stand this internet lark and am off to the pub for this draw.

Reverse psychology:

I hope we get Barcelona, Benfica and Galatasaray.

Not sure how entertaining the draw was on the telly but at least the Gaurdian minute by minute analysis helped to break the bordem. Read below from Bottom to Top, couldn’t be arsed re-arranging it for you. I’m sure Celtic fans are happy enough with the draw as would every team in pot 1 probably. Even though Chelsea and Barcelona are in the same group I don’t think it will cause either team to worry. Liverpool mightn’t be too happy to travel to Turkey. Enjoy below, some fooking funny comments.

DT

Champions League draw as it happened

It’s Uefa bingo. Eyes down …

Barry Glendenning
Thursday August 24, 2006
Guardian Unlimited

Eyes down for Uefa bingo

Group A: Barcelona, Chelsea, Werder Bremen, Levski Sofia.

Group B: Internazionale, Bayern Munich, Sporting Lisbon, Spartak Moscow.

Group C: Liverpool, PSV Eindhoven, Bordeaux, Galatasaray.

Group D: Valencia, Roma, Olympiakos, Shakhtar Donetsk.

Group E: Real Madrid, Lyon, Steaua Bucharest, Dynamo Kiev.

Group F: Manchester United, Celtic, Benfica, FC Copenhagen.

Group G: Arsenal, Porto, CSKA Moscow, FC Hamburg.

Group H: AC Milan, Lille, AEK Athens, Anderlecht.

17.57pm: “Gropup H is the easiest group I have ever seen in the history of the Champions League,” harrumphs Alex Green. “Even Sunderland would qualify from that group.” And on that bombshell, I’m off home. Or out for a pint. Anyone fancy one? Thanks for your time and your emails - a very good day to you all. That was worse than I thought it would be, but not as bad as I thought it could be.

17.53: So, that’s that then. Barcelonia get Chelsea and Manchester United get a stroll in the park - it’s business as usual at Uefa HQ. “Why don’t they just get rid of this stupid pool system altogether?” asks Tom Hine. “Every group bar Chelsea’s looks pretty easy for the jammy buggers in the VIP pot. It would be much more fun if one year we had a group with all four English teams. My, how we’d laugh.”

5.47pm: While Sammy Eto’o mixes it up in the fourth and - thank God! - final pot, there’s another blast of discopop over a montage starring the teams contained within said pot. My will to live may have left the building, but luckily for you all, I’m still here.

5.41pm: While you all chew over that, the suits in Monaco are going to present a shiny gong to the best forward of last year’s Champions League. Why show us the nominees? We know it’s going to Ronaldinho … or Samuel Eto’o … or Thierry Henry … or somebody else. And the winner is … Samuel Eto’o. "I see that the Pope’s O’Rangers and Queen’s Celtic have been kept apart again,"writes Ewan Benson. “It seems to happen every year for some reason.”

5.33pm: “Well I’m working until 8pm by which time they might have finished drawning Pot 3. For God’s sake, the FA Cup has more teams and it usually takes about 5mins to make the draw!” thunders Andy Brown. He’s right, you know. There’s a lot to be said for Sir Bert Millichip, Graham Kelly and their velvet bag of brown, numbered wooden balls.

5.30pm: So Barcelona get Chelsea, and Manchester United get their usual easy draw too. The Midfielder of the Tournament last season? Take it away, Deco! If nothing else he deserves every award going for his comedy hack on Johnny Heitinger in the World Cup.

5.23pm: “This is actually due to finish on TV at 6:30pm. Ouch! I’m off home,” writes James Foley. Bully for you, James - at least you have a choice.

5.20pm: Damn them! Before moving on to the next pot, they’re going to present an award to the Defender Of The Year. Even by the standards of Uefa, this is paddery at its best. Cue: more cheesy 1992 rave music, before Michael Laudrup presents the award to Carles Puyol. Pedro Pinto excels the Barcelona centre-half by blowing sunshine up his hole in two different languages. To the next pot of balls, and don’t spare the horses!

5.15pm: As there’s going to be no end of fannying around here, I’ll just slot the teams into the space at the top of the page when they eventually start trickling out. Jens Lehman gives the balls a stir - mind you don’t drop them, Jens.

5.09pm: Best goalkeeper: Jens Lehmann. But what’s this - he’s making for the pots of balls. Could it be that we won’t have to sit through 10 more lames acceptance speeches. It’s looking good - another middle-aged, bespectacled bald man in a suit is reading out the rules of the draw. It’s all very complicated, but the gist of it all is written down below.

5.07pm: More waffle from another middle-aged, bespectacled bald man in a suit. “If Manchester United, PSV Eindhoven, Steaua Bucharest, and Shakhtar Donetsk are drawn together, the combined number of letters making up the teams’ names will be the most ever in a Champions League first round group, I reckon,” writes Christopher Fleming. I can’t believe he hasn’t checked. Back in Monaco, over a very cheesy Europop beat, they’ve decided to do their awards from last season. Grrr!

5.05pm: “Carole Rouseeau should count her blessings,” writes Kevin Plummer. “Usually when things drop at Stevie G’s feet they end up being launched somewhere near row Z.” Honk!

5.03pm: Hrrah! Lennart Johansson takes to the stage, mumbles incoherently for a few minutes and introduces the draw. Except Pedro Pinto is having none of it - he wants us all to watch highlights of last season’s Champions League. Some of us have homes to go to, Pedro, you lantern-jawed, sleek-haired continental smoothie.

5pm: Presenters Pedro Pinto and Carole Rousseau take to the stage and get proceedings underway. Carole’s the lady who fainted before the Champions League final last season, while Steven Gerrard stood idly by about two feet away doing absolutely nothing.

5pm: I’ve just realised I have no idea how I’m going to do this. Ah sure, we’ll bumble through it and make it up as we go along. The fancy Champions League music is playing in a big hall in Monaco at the moment, so it won’t be long now.

4.56pm: “Being a driving instructor must be a bit like having William Gallas’s job,” says Seamus McDonnell. “Sat on your backside all day earning ?30k per year. Well, a bit like having Gallas’s job, minus ?3.61m, obviously.”

4.53pm: “Paul, where’s your money going … if you were a betting man?” asks tactful Sky presenter David Somethingorother of Paul Merson. “Usually down the drain,” chuckles the gambling addict who reckons he’s spunked away ?8m on betting over the years.

4.50pm: On Sky they’re looking at the worst case scenario for Chelsea. They reckon they couldn’t do worse than be grouped with Barcelona, Benfica and Dynamo Kiev. They then cut to their Manchester studio, where Lou Macari is seated on the chair in front of the venetian blind normally occupied by Frank Stapleton. He thinks the future is looking rosey for Manchester United, but says the Champions League is way “too big an ask” for Celtic.

4.49pm: “So do you get as many pointless emails during the Eurovision Football Contest draw as you did during the World Cup? And do you print them?” asks Aaron Farrell. I think the very presence of your email here answers both your questions, Aaron.

4.46pm: The camera pans on to David Dein, who has just arrived at Champions League Draw HQ. He chats briefly to a man that looks a bit like Fred Elliott from Coronotaion Street, I say he talks briefly to man who looks a bit like Fred Elliott from Coronation Street and then walks away. He obviously wants to get a seat near the front.

4.45pm: Why not become a driving instructor?" asks the advert on Sky Sports News. What … and miss all this?

4.42pm: “There’s no gimmes any more,” says Phil Thompson, before pointing out the quality of the teams in pot four. You could usually find a few deadbeats loitering in the fourth tier, but not any more, explains Phil, citing Galatasaray and Dynamo Kiev as examples of teams that certainly aren’t pushovers. He’s not wrong - I’d imagine that the likes of Barcelona and AC Milan are planking themselves at the prospect of having to face FC Copenhagen or the appalling Anderlecht.

4.39pm: Corrections and clarifications dept: I’ve just been told Di Stewart was not drinking in a pub in Richmond, she was drinking in a pub in Holborn. And she was wearing a funky hat. Sorry about that.

4.30pm: The tension is mounting. Well it isn’t, but with assorted Uefa suits wiping the last of the roast boar from their lips and assorted balls being removed from the fridge and oven respectively, there’s only half an hour to go before the participants in this year’s Champions League are sorted into their groups. So I have to try and big it up a bit.

In the Sky Sports studio, Paul Merson, Phil Thompson, and journalist Keir Radnedge are ready to throw in their two cents, while Lou Macari will be telling it like it is from a cupboard in Manchester. At the moment there’s not much going on - the delightful Di Stewart is going through the day’s headlines. Not very interesting story: one of Guardian Unlimited Football’s finest saw her in a pub in Richmond last Friday enjoying a few tipples.

Preamble: A load of old men in suits and four pots of balls - don’t say we don’t spoil you. Representatives of 32 clubs will have made the completely pointless trip to Monaco to sit through the draw for the group stages of the 2006/07 Champions League, comprised of the 16 sides who qualified automatically and the 16 who came through the third qualifying round this week. The ceremony will also include the Uefa Club Football Awards, details of which will be conspicuous by their absence from this report.

Pot 1

Barcelona, AC Milan, Real Madrid, Internazionale, Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester United, Valencia.

Pot 2

Lyon, FC Porto, PSV Eindhoven, Bayern Munich, Chelsea, Roma, Celtic, Lille.

Pot 3

Sporting Lisbon, Benfica, Bordeaux, Steaua Bucharest, Werder Bremen, Olympiakos, CSKA Moscow, AEK Athens.

Pot 4

Anderlecht, Dynamo Kiev, Levski Sofia, Shakhtar Donetsk, Galatasaray, Hamburg, Spartak Moscow, FC Copenhagen.

Things you should know

Unlike Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester United, who are in the VIP pot, Chelsea are in the second tier. As they can’t be drawn in the same group as a team from their own league, the odds against them facing Barcelona again are 4-1.

According to the Uefa website: “Where two sides from the same association have qualified, they have been paired to split their matches between Tuesday and Wednesday. In the case of associations with three representatives, only two teams have been paired in terms of their fixtures; in the case of associations with four representatives, two pairings have been made.” Confused? Me too.

Right so, see you back here at 4.55pm when the tension is bound to be unbearable.

Celtic’s fixtures below. Absolutely delighted with the draw. Those first two home games are crucial. If Celtic can get 6 or even 7 points from those first 3 games then they’ve a foot in the second round. Also satisfied to be finishing in Denmark - would rather be going there needing a result than the other two places. Can see Benfica putting ManU out for the second year in a row.

DT, had actually began reading Glenndenning’s stuff on the Guardian but patience got the better of me and had to go watch it live. Fooking took ages. Kudos to rock for sorting out flights for first two games. Champions League here we fooking come.

Tuesday, September 12
Manchester United vs Celtic

Wednesday, September 27
Celtic vs FC Copenhagen (Home)

Wednesday, October 18
Celtic vs Benfica (Home)

Tuesday, October 31
Benfica vs Celtic

Wednesday, November 22
Celtic vs Manchester United

Tuesday, December 5
FC Copenhagen vs Celtic

Bandage are you sure those fixtures are right? I was up on the uefa.com site and their offical download has us playing

Man Utd (a) wed 13th
Cop (h) tues 26th
Ben (h) tues 17th
Ben (a) wed 1st
Man Utd (h) tues 21st
Cop (a) wed 6th

Celtic, being Celtic, have made the mother of all fook ups. They had the fixtures as I posted them on their official website and it turns out they were wrong. Your fixtures are correct. Was chatting to rock there and he says there’s absolute murder on the HB. People had booked flights from all over the world and now they’re fooked. One guy had booked a trip to Lisbon with his family for the Benfica game flying out on Monday morning and returning Wednesday afternoon and now the game’s on Wednesday night rather than Tuesday.

Frantically trying to salvage flights is the boy rock as I post. Bollox!!!

Shower of incompetent wankers. A great day fucking ruined by ineptitude. The height of amateurism.

Any joy since?

Rock, I?m paying you for the flights but netting off the accomodation cost which I?ve paid for. Note, the hotels are STG? prices ? would you be satisfied if I took today?s rate from OANDA, the currency site for my calculations, or shall I take the last month end rate from my place of employment? Let me know if you want to set up an fx hedge deal before I transfer the cash into your account. Thanks, Bandage.

Fuck it maybe I should put this reply in the Weekend Flutter thread but I’m prepared to take a gamble. Give me the rate per OANDA as of today.

could someone please post up todays draw

Fuck off you whores abortion

a boy da kiiid