Russia Vs Ukraine (Part 1)

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You’d nearly miss the Covid fights at this stage

It’s old news at this stage, but there was a brilliant doco on Netflix a few years back about the Maidan protests in Ukraine.

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“Winter On Fire”.

“Active Measures” is essential watching too. The party that has been in power in Georgia since 2012 are basically a thinly veiled Putinist operation. The current PM is up to his neck in Chinese money.

Prevention was better than cure. Those who said prevention was better were branded “warmongers”.

Daria Kaleniuk is the journalist who asked Boris Johnson the question at the press conference in Warsaw earlier.

https://twitter.com/dkaleniuk

So at what point do you make a stand? It’s very easy to say all this from the cheap seats. I’m with @Cheasty
Whilst I absolutely agree with @Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy , it’s whataboutery.
I don’t care who does it, NATO, the US, the Brits whoever, should bomb the fuck out of that convoy and accept the consequences.
They should issue some threats of their own, because enough is enough (and I say that from a UK city likely high in the firing line of Russian nukes). Fuck em.

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There were few instances of that in former Yugoslavia

This is old hat as well

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Other than a few supportive tweets to play to their voters, the west have stood back thus far, and watched the Ukraine burn.

Simply not true. Ukraine is fighting with weapons supplied by the West, damn good weapons. The Russian economy is being utterly destroyed, which is realistically the only path to ending this.

Follow the money, the only way to halt it.

Watched it last night, class. Very humbling. We remember Bloody Sunday 50 years on. The Ukrainians went through god-knows-how-many Bloody Sundays and stood firm after it. The foundations of the resistance were laid then.

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It’s probably still winnable but we need to get Russia bogged down militarily into a long conflict (it will need to be at least 1 month+) and keep ramping the sanctions up. The Russian gas industry needs to be hit hard, that should preferably include terrorist action except it won’t.

It’s probably still winnable without direct NATO intervention but the refusal to provide airplanes is disappointing. I’m disappointed in the Poles, who have been brave so far. Hopefully the Turks come through with promised supplies.

I am guessing the Romanians and Poles would equally hate Putin (as opposed to the Russians) as much as the Ukrainians. I am hopeful some Rusky will take out Vlad.
I recall reading a headline yesterday with Putin saying he would “consider halting bombing civilians”.
I can’t understand a person in this day and age ok with bombing civilians or starting a war. Whatever about those medieval fuckers in ISIS, Putin and Russia aren’t exactly cut off from the rest of the modern world these days.
Freezing oligarchs assets. What does that mean for those living in EU countries? No money at the ATM? No online banking? Perhaps they have a ball of cash in a vault somewhere to dip into…

They’ve been given enough peashooters to inconvenience Putin. They have been given nothing to help them actually punch him in the mouth.
The peashooters are enough to keep the hand wringers on board.
Economic sanctions are all well and good, but will make no short term difference, and the Ukraine doesn’t have the luxury of time.
The bits and bobs given to the Ukraine have allowed them to make martyrs of themselves.
Sin e.

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The reality is Ukraine needs weapons that will produce 100k dead Russian soldiers in the next two weeks and the complete destruction of Russia’s army.

It does not matter who uses those weapons. They need to be used and used now.

So you think NATO should call Putin’s bluff and start bombing?