Scotland v Ireland, Saturday - 7.45pm

In sport it tends to always end badly as players and managers tend to always stay too long.

Lads banging on about losing to Denmark in that play off.

They should remember euro 2016 when we beat Italy and went toe to toe with France. France won the next world cup and Italy won the next euros.

Don’t forget the lift it gave the nation too at the time.

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Lads think this is football manager. Smallbone was no great shakes Friday night,

There was a genuine feeling anything was possible under O’Neill.

I was fully convinced we’d win the Euro’s at half time against France.

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The public have been sold a pup. The off the ball crew, Dan McDonall and the likes are in dream land.

International football is about being hard to beat and being functional. Spain from 08 to 12 were so boring. 2 dms and fabergas up front.

France and Germany won world cups playing on the counter. They don’t even pick their best players in attacking positions.

Spain were very exciting in 2008 in fairness

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If you want to be entertained watching soccer, go watch Real Madrid play Chelsea in a Champions League Semi Final second leg.

Ireland games are different. Winning a throw in high up the pitch is when you go mental and shout like hell for Duffy to get in the box.

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this rubbish about transitioning to a new style takes time is horseshit

there arent many longballs teams left in Ireland or England so all he is doing is getting players to play like they do at their clubs (with no success)

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That was the case when McCarthy and O’Neill and Trap were in charge too bar a few exceptions and those 3 had us playing absolute complete fucking rubbish and still coming up short

We were harder to beat, but still getting beat ffs

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Bizarre. All 3 qualified for international tournaments. You’re a numpty.

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Germany 2024 will be a tournament for the ages and we’re going to miss out on it. Superb host cities, superb beers, superb people.

What’s the point for us other than trying to get to the big tournaments?

Stephen Kenny is a nice man but we’re being let down by the third estate. Baffling that no one is willing to criticise him.

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eh, we were qualifying for tournaments

now we are hoping to beat armenia not to get relegated

Exactly. I can’t stomach this guff about getting us playing the “right” way. If I want to watch football played right I’ll watch Arsenal.

I want my country at the big tournaments so I can get on the bandwagons and enjoy myself. I don’t care what style we play.

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Oh I recall them, don’t worry. I was in Poznan when we were destroyed by Croatia, I was in Gdansk when dismantled by Spain and back in Poznan again for another cakewalk for Italy.

Dismantled by Belgium and stuttered to a draw v a poor Sweden side and beat Italy ‘B’ before our token plucky 30 minutes against France and bowing out.

But yeah, we qualified for tournaments :rollseyes:

We were a laughing stock football wise and were never going to do anything of note

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Probably before @thedancingbaby time but Poppy O Kneel had Celtic playing decent football when he was manager

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he had Lubo etc, what a team

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I have no doubt that Kenny is trying his best and in it for the right reasons but he just isn’t a particularly good manager. I would be fairly confident in thinking that if we got any young manager from the league one/championship merry go round that the results and football on display would not be any worse than what they have been close to 30 games in now - let alone if we had a manager with a bit about him. Yet people rabbit on about us playing the right way.

For all this talk of blooding lads and whatnot, these lads were always coming through and we simply didn’t have the depth to hold them back, so it isn’t a case that Kenny has been particularly brave in picking them, if anything during the last campaign he made some bizarre calls dropping younger lads who performed for more experienced heads.

He is held up by the media and some fans as a fella who has us playing the right way and on the right course. But realistically, after close to 30 games is there a player in our squad who has outperformed their club level form while in an Ireland jersey under Kenny? He isn’t turning water into wine and his abilities as a manager are constantly overstated as green shoots are picked from another defeat or draw.

I’d love to be proven wrong on Kenny and see us storm the group in the next qualifying campaign but I just can’t see it happening under him.

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What is something of note for Ireland do you think?

Point of order, they werent poor. They got to the WC quarter finals in 2018.

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I want us dining at the top table of the world.

O’Dockertys reaction to being subbed last night suggest another players locking the dressing room incident is on the cards

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