We won less than half our away games in the league under Rodgers. We were very poor in most of those. We were also pretty dreadful in Europe away. We obviously had some good performances in there too but we lost our tricky away games at Salzburg, Leipzig, Ibrox, Hibs and Hearts with some really bad performances.
I donāt think weāre playing brilliantly under Lennon but weāve done enough to improve our record. The game at the weekend wasnāt great for a spell in the second half, not helped by injuries, but we dominated most of it and they scored out of the blue. It was an awful lot better than our last game against Sevco and a thoroughly deserved win.
I get you have your opinion on Lennon and fine to have already made up your mind on him. But donāt pretend to see a deterioration that simply isnāt there.
The Lawwell stuff is nonsense too. Heās a pantomime villain figure now and youāre lapping it up. Desmond has picked all the managers since OāNeill. He chose MON and Strachan and tried to get Keane before they appointed his designated assistant in Deila and Rodgers was a Desmond appointment too. Lawwell executes a strategy, he doesnāt decide it and choose a manager to obey him. Thatās fantasy stuff.
@Rocko looks like the celtic board have hacked your TFK profile and are now using it to spout the company line in relation to Neil Lennon.
i hear one of your family members has recently developed close links to Dermot Desmond? i wonder has this, and the financial impact of same, colored your view of Lawwell / Lennon? it seems youāve gone from objective critic to company yes man in around the same timeframe as a close family member has reached out to Desmond or is this just another conspiracy theory?
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Our European performances under Rodgers were very poor this year. Leipzig at home is a notable exception.
Lennon has been in charge for 6 games, only the Hibs game have we played in anyway satisfactorally, 2 of those games we had to wait until injury time to win and in two of those games we have a man advantage for a significant portion of the game due to brainfarts from the opposition, we somehow managed to throw away commanding positions in those games too. We have yet to score more than 2 goals in a match. Thereās no doubt about the nosedive in form we have taken since Lennon took over. Rodgers domestic games in 2019 saw a plehtora of 3-0s, 4-0s, 5-0s, 4-1s etc.
Iāve made my mind up on Lennon as he is a very uninspiring, cheap option who will do whatever Lawwell wants him to do and layoff with the violins for Lawwell, he is an utter cunt, if you are buying into him not being the major problem at Celtic then you naivety is beyond the pale. Your attitude to him as changed overnight once Rodgers upped and left, you bought big into Rodgers and as soon as he left you were then trying to diminish everything he did at Celtic and defend Lawwell.
I never liked Rodgers and never will, his personality is insufferable and he talks some amount of arrogant wank that heād make you vomit. On the whole there is no doubt he did a very good job of developing a very good side at Celtic and left the club with a number of very capable and rounded players and a good base for a new manager to come in.
He wasnāt backed by his Chief Executive and there was a major falling out in the background, the investment in the first team from Celtic in recent years has been pitiful. I think Rodgers had every right to be unhappy and frustrated with the lack of ambition from Lawwell and the board. I donāt blame him for leaving but the manner and timing of his departure is indefensible.
You have done a complete pivot in the aftermath of Rodgers departure and are now trying to rewrite history. Lawwell has, always has been and always will be a big problem for Celtic progressing on the field. Heās now got a yes man in place who will happily put up with the crumbs heās fed - thereās no way I see that Lennon wonāt get the job and Lawwell will be rubbing his hands at this, it makes his job a lot easier.
I donāt find it a conicidence OāNeill decided to bail shortly after Lawwell came in, look at Lawwellās conduct with Balde who was the best defender at the club by a mile when we had a chief executive actively trying to freeze him out of the club.
Youāre being very selective with your dates. Rodgers didnāt start managing in January. Heās also responsible for the performances before then. Overall he was clearly an excellent manager but there was a big decline in performances this season. The losses in December to Hibs and Sevco were appalling, the game at Ibrox was as abject and spineless performance as weāve ever had against them. And the capitulation at home to Vakencia was embarrassing.
Sure we played better domestically in January but 4 home games in a row to Airdrie, Hamilton, St Mitten and St Johnstone was a very easy run of games.
Iād rather we got a better manager than Lennon. But Iām not convinced there are many or any better managers who would come to Celtic. And I think youāre rushing to judge his performance based on pre conceived ideas.
What comments about Rodgers? He was a good manager. The performances were getting worse. That doesnāt mean he was a shit manager, but you seem to be attributing recent sluggish performances to Lennon, whereas the reality is thatās how weāve been playing for much of the season, especially away from home.
And we have been disappointing all season in big games - we were dreadful against Valencia and Sevco and generally poor in Europe all season. Even our League Cup Final win wasnāt a good performance at all - certainly no better than how weāve played under Lennon.
Rodgers had 7 home games in that spell, 1 against lower league opposition. And of course it selectively ignores the 2 losses to Valencia. Lennonās Celtic have had 3 home games, including against our closest rivals.
The worst performance in 2019 by some distance was before Lennon took over (Valencia at home). In your arbitrarily chosen last 10 domestic games versus the Lennon time in charge, the worst performance by some distance was the loss at Sevco.
Weāve been a bit pedestrian all season. Our away performances have been poor. That hasnāt really improved but our results are marginally better on average and our performances have been more or less the same (if you generously ignore the horror shows against Valencia and Sevco under Rodgers).
Yes. 3 late wins, 2 of them against 10 men for the majority of the game and weāve only played well once in those 6 games. 5 abject performances which we have been very lucky to get 13 points from. 1 decent performance in the cup.
We were badly, badly failed by Lawwell and the board in the summer. Scrimping over a few quid cost us John McGinn which is unforgivable.
The worst performance being against the best team you played by a mile probably indicates that you just werenāt good enough. Getting through that Europa group was a very good achievement
It was a reasonable achievement. We had one good result in beating Leipzig at home and I guess the Rosenborg results were good but expected. We were fortunate that Leipzig fucked up away to Rosenborg, that was a very lucky break.
Anyway the home performance against Valencia was pathetic. Theyāre clearly a better team but they could have hammered us that night if they were bothered. It was a spineless and clueless effort.
Itās not my love in with a Championship player. Itās the fact the Celtic board dicked about with a talent like McGinn who the manager desperately wanted and we ended up losing him as a result. If he had been in for pre season we would qualify for the CL.
It seems that the McGinn deal was the straw that broke the camels back for Rodgers. Celtic embarrassed themselves in trying to shortchanged Hibs this season, it turned into a farce and I can understand why Rodgers was furious.
You have a curious love affair with average Scottish talent. You wanted us to buy Stevie May a couple of years ago!
McGinn is better than that but heās not outstanding. Heās not better than Brown, Armstrong, Christie, McGregor, Rogic. And not better than a fit and in form Ntcham.
And of course itās not John McGinnās fault that Celtic have been scoring those sneaky late goals that shouldnāt count.
I donāt know what youāre talking about re Stevie May but I do know youāve embarrassed yourself on McGinn for some time in consistently trying to dismiss him. I believe you were even trying to suggest McGeouch was a better player.
He will go for about 20x what Celtic bid for him last summer in a few months if Villa donāt go up and you still be trying to pretend it wasnāt a monumental fuck up by the Celtic board. It cost us CL football this year, it cost us a manager and it cost us the best midfielder to come out of Scotland in a long time.
It is. You were telling us the likes of Allan, Henderson and McGeouch were better players than McGinn in the past. Keep digging your heels in because Rodgers did you up like a kipper.
