State of the Nation Irish Soccer Review ... Post Euro 2016 ☘ ⚽

Continuing the discussion from State of the Nation - Irish Soccer Review:

###Four Years on
Four years after limping out of Euro 2012 in ignominy at the Last 16 stage, Ireland progressed all the way to the Round of 16 before exiting bravely. There is a wave of optimism about the Irish team that is markedly different from the forlorn reaction to our last finals appearance. Is this misplaced giddiness or a fair reflection on the healthy state of Irish international football?

The consensus that Euro 2012 was something of a nadir for Irish football is curious. It was a rare appearance at a major finals and Ireland were drawn against the winners, the runners-up and a very good Croatian team. The performances were poor, dreadful at times, but the results were not unexpected.

The 2016 group was not much easier than the one four years ago, so finishing third instead of fourth represents a genuine improvement. The larger tournament may have benefited some countries but for Ireland it was a tough group to encounter having emerged from a tough qualifying draw.

Irish people certainly like a bandwagon but positivity and the Irish national soccer team haven’t been familiar bedfellows for a long time. There is more to the prevailing mood than simple overreactions to decent results. The results were fine, the performances were generally decent, but it’s the player profile of this squad that gives most reason to be excited.

###Youthful
Ireland had the oldest squad in this tournament, but that was an age profile bolstered by the likes of Robbie Keane and Shay Given who were not key players. The average age of the starting eleven that fell to Spain in 2012 was almost 30. In 2016 that had fallen to 27.3. Two and a half years doesn’t seem like an awful gap, but that’s the difference between peak performance and being on the wane, and aggregated across 11 players it begins to have an effect.

In 2012, only one player of 25 or under featured in the first 2 games – Simon Cox. He was replaced for the final game by Kevin Doyle who was 3 years older. Cox was relatively new on the international scene at that time but his early promise, which was in itself surprising, had already begun to wane by the time of that tournament. He did not represent a thrilling glimpse of a bright footballing future.

The other youthfulish team members from 2012 have all struggled to push on also. Aiden McGeady started the qualifying campaign very brightly but couldn’t get on the Sheffield Wednesday bench by the end of the season. Stephen Ward had an almost identical experience but in reverse. Sean St Ledger went off the rails completely for a while and looks to be finished his international career already.

Fast forward four years and Simon Cox is replaced by four players all 25 or under. The new captain is 27 and the number of players over 30 in the starting XI has been reduced from 6 to 2.

###Backbone
Most significantly, those under 25 show genuine promise at becoming a backbone for this Irish team. Shane Duffy is the least experienced and least proven member of that quartet. He looks talented but rash, brave but naïve. His international future looks bright but not guaranteed.

The real promise lies in the midfield trio of McCarthy, Hendrick and Brady. For all the talk about Wes Hoolahan being the most gifted Irish player in the squad, he doesn’t match the composite talents of Brady or Hendrick. They are gifted on the ball, industrious without it and bring an energy and intelligence to the Irish midfield that has been absent for many years. In players like Keith Andrews, Darron Gibson and Glenn Whelan, Ireland have had to make do with adequate but predictable midfielders for a generation. There is an opportunity now to build a team and a system around the guile of Brady, the energy of Hendrick and the determination of McCarthy.

McCarthy is the most experienced and most criticised of that trio. He suffers from wild expectations that greeted his early selections and some struggles for form that resulted in him being written off by some of the same media personalities who proclaimed him the new Messiah before he had earned a starting role. The truth lies somewhere between those two positions but there were signs in the tournament that were not just promising, but deliciously appetising.

He has picked up some understandable blame for missing midfield runners for a couple of goals, but his screening work in the first half of all the matches was immense. He may need more coaching to play a holding role on his own, he may need more fitness and he may need more concentration but he has the tools to be a very important part of a very impressive midfield for at least three more competitive campaigns.

####The Future
This appears to be Ireland’s best squad since 2002. It lacks the star quality of a Robbie Keane or a Damien Duff. But its best and youngest players are in pivotal positions. Mark Kinsella and Matt Holland were fine players but they didn’t get anyone excited. We may have had a better and deeper group of players 14 years ago, but we didn’t have the same promise in central areas.

Ireland can continue forward with an unchanged back five, and the same trio in midfield supported by James McClean. Swap Daryl Murphy (who had an excellent tournament) for Jon Walters and that’s an impressive team for a couple of years until Walters and Murphy run out of steam.

The well of optimism runs a little shallow when you consider the depth of midfield and attacking options. Hendrick limping early against France was a near catastrophe. Whelan, Meyler, Quinn, Hoolahan can all function in a midfield – none can fulfil anything like the same role of Hendrick or Brady. McCarthy deserves not to be shunted forward every time there’s an injury there, he needs experience playing the same role each time. The expectation is Arter and O’Kane can add something different but that expectation is based more on hope than evidence.

Further forward the problems are even more acute. Aiden McGeady needs to start playing regular football before he can become a realistic alternative to McClean – even still, they’re very different types of player. And there is no obvious new wave of strikers to challenge Long, Murphy and Walters for one of those two spots. David McGoldrick doesn’t set the world alight at club level, Adam Rooney and Anthony Stokes are capable at a certain level. There are very few Irish strikers scoring regularly at club level, none of them are blooded at international level.

The temptation for Martin O’Neill will be to make the most of his available players for each game and put together a system that best suits those who are fit and experienced. The danger with such a plan is that it will inevitably lead to Hendrick being pushed out to the wing again, Brady being deployed in 3 or 4 positions and McCarthy filling in wherever there’s a gap in midfield. Ireland can benefit instead from investing and trusting in those key players in their key positions.

A full house for the visit of Oman at the end of August is inevitable.

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Who’s next on the list to come into the squad/team? Your man bryne is probably decent from man city.

A few of the younger players who were around the fringes for the Euros squad: O’Dowda, O’Kane etc.

Jack Byrne has joined Blackburn on a one year loan this year.

I wonder will Scott Hogan be capped in August, hopefully Stokes gets his opportunity as well.

The biggest question still remains of what we can do with our league, pal. It was great to see the pic of 8 current squad members in their league of Ireland kit. We will never compete with what’s on our doorstep, nor should we… but how many young players get lost in academys over yonder? I think the league needs to step in and try and prise players back to play LOI… Even on a loan basis with option to more permanent… As is a lot of talent is languishing without football until 21/22 and then falling into lower league football which a lot never climb out of. The premiership is killing England let alone us. We need to address our own academy’s and the way we see England as the holy grail. We need to develop an Irish identity again.

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I broadly agree but I think there’s too much made of that point.

To use the in vogue example, how many of Iceland’s squad play in their national league? I’m all for investing in facilities, academies, better pitches etc but the focus needs to be on getting more people playing football under qualified coaches at a young age. A better standard of senior league will follow on from that - as opposed to investing in the senior clubs and hoping to see that money trickle down.

I was at Malahide United yesterday morning for a couple of hours. Wonderful facilities and it was a lovely morning weather-wise. Not a single kid there playing football because it’s the summer and they don’t play during the summer. Absurd stuff.

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Kids play Gaelic football and hurling during the summer, their national game.

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Ah yeah… I’m not looking for some utopian ideal of a league of professional Celts devouring everything placed in front of them but youth development beyond just getting them across the water needs to be looked it.

Kids play Kerbs, tennis and catch a boy/ girl kiss a boy/ girl during summer, mate.

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They need to have some way of the league getting decent money for their players. The likes of Shane Long and Seamus Coleman left for pitiful fees, clubs can’t demand decent fees due to the financial insecurity of clubs and inability to hold them to longer contracts.

A lot of the lads who go to England are usually brought over from the ages of 13 and 14 from youth clubs without ever progressing through the ranks of LOI clubs, I don’t know how practical it would be in reality but if players could be stopped signing for foreign clubs until they turn 18.

Moving the domestic league in line with the standard European league calendar would also be beneficial I feel.

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Is there too many underage soccer teams in Ireland? In Limerick there’s as many soccer clubs as there is gaa if not more. In theory playing numbers is key but would we be better with less teams, better coaches with the better players and facilities playing constantly at a higher standard?

Another thread which could have been used for thoughtful debate descends into the usual stale, weak and totally shite ‘banter’.

Dawn, I’m fed up.

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Good point. I’ve tidied it up.

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I don’t see how there can be too many teams really or how we can have too many numbers. As long as the regional structures are good enough then it shouldn’t really matter how it’s split up at the bottom.

BT squeals. Rocko jumps. Nothing to see here. Business as per usual.
I pointed out to rocko that the reason soccer isn’t played during the summer is that our prominent national sport rules over soccer and after the dregs, ie tossie and Choco ruin it he jumps at the chance to censor the bits he doesn’t agree with.

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I think the base standard around the country is so low the good players don’t get tested enough at a younger age and aren’t exposed to a higher standard.

In my club ( football ) we have adjoining pitches to the local soccer club. They seem to have way more equipment and faculties but they never have to crowd ie the parish behind them. I looked at a team picture of their senior team last year and only 9 out of 14 were from the town.
Maybe the lack of support is due to the mix of players from all over the place, unlike the Gaa where the vast majority of players are from the Parrish/ town/ village.

As far as im aware the new youth leagues will benefit LOI teams ahead of kevins etc. SRFC winning the U15 league is a seismic shift. The new academy will be massive too. Brexit and summer soccer are massive changes too. Thank you Mr Delaney

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Dan Crowley is going on loan to Oxford for the season. He will be the next Grealish in terms of a tug of war between England and Ireland. Very highly rated by Arsenal and has very strong Irish roots