Was listening to a podcast the other day where they were talking about Welker to the Broncos and Amendola to the Patriots with Thomas leaving the Broncos. Would be a decent scenario for the Patriots I think.
Reading Jets news at the moment is depressing. Linked with all manner of crap players and anyone halfway useful looks to be on the way out. On that note Grantland had a piece recently suggesting that Revis may be the most valuable trade of all time if he leaves the Jets this summer.
[article=http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/49012/how-darrelle-revis-compares-to-the-best-players-ever-traded]How Darrelle Revis Compares to the Best Players Ever Traded
When the news came out last week that the New York Jets might explore a trade for Darrelle Revis, it was easy to dismiss the idea as typical new-regime fodder. Whenever a new coach or GM steps in, thereâs an obligation to let everyone know that âall parts of our football teamâ are being evaluated. Itâs a reminder to both the media and fans that thereâs a reason someone was just fired, and that they shouldnât worry â change is coming. But that change doesnât usually include trading one of the 10 best players in football.
Over the weekend, the idea of Revis leaving town went from exploratory to seemingly imminent. Because Revis has a clause in his contract prohibiting New York from using the franchise tag on him when his deal is up at the end of this season, the hope is that the Jets can get something for their star cornerback rather than watching him walk away. For a team living life near the top of the cap and void of young talent on both sides of the ball, itâs a notion that might seem crazy but is actually worth exploring. One question that comes with this possibility isnât whether Revis should be traded, but if he is, where he would fall among the best players ever dealt.
The Darrelle Revis with whom weâre familiar â the one who stood as the undisputed best cornerback in the league â showed up in 2009. That season, the Jets posted the best defense in football on their way to the AFC Championship Game, and it was thanks in large part to Revis. According to Football Outsiders, New York had a DVOA of -39.9 percent against no. 1 wide receivers that season, and Pro Football Focus says that quarterbacks finished the year with a 32.3 quarterback rating when throwing Revisâs way. A hamstring injury slowed Revis early in 2010, but by seasonâs end he was again the leagueâs best defensive player. Last year, even as Revis was slowed by a knee injury, the Jets were again the leagueâs best pass defense against no. 1 receivers; their -44.2 percent DVOA topped the second-ranked Chiefs by more than 10 percent.
Revisâs ACL injury may be a reason to reconsider his standing among the leagueâs best, but itâs clear that when heâs healthy (and before J.J. Watt was sent from the future to save mankind), heâs probably the most impactful defensive player in the league, and may be the most impactful non-quarterback around.
If we concede that Revis will return at a level that resembles what he was able to do for the past three seasons, he becomes part of a very short list of players traded at or near their peak. It should be noted that this list reflects playersâ values at the time of the trade, meaning Steve Young and Brett Favre are out. Production also outweighs potential here, so no go on Randy Moss. The most notorious name in NFL trade history is Herschel Walker, but thatâs largely because Walker wasnât a star, before or after the trade. With those parameters in mind, weâre left with five players who were moved while still ranking among the leagueâs best.
Willie Roaf
Roaf went to New Orleans as a top-10 pick in 1993 and wasted little time in establishing himself as one of the leagueâs best offensive linemen. He was first-team All-Pro by his second season and became a fixture at the Pro Bowl every year until 2001. That was when a season-ending knee injury limited him to just seven games and led the Saints to deal him for a third-round pick before the next yearâs draft. During his time in Kansas City, Roaf was an All-Pro three times as part of one of the leagueâs best offenses. From 2003 to 2005, the Chiefs never dipped below fifth in Football Outsidersâ adjusted line yards metric for run blocking, and their figure on runs off left end twice finished in the top five. Roaf was a member of last yearâs Hall of Fame class, and by his own acknowledgement, it was his time in Kansas City that ensured his place there.
Sonny Jurgensen
In his final two full seasons in Philadelphia, Jurgensen threw for 3,723 and 3,261 yards â both good for the highest total in the league. An injury-riddled 1963 season (are we sensing a pattern here?) caused Philadelphia to ship him out of town, along with defensive back Jimmy Carr. Phillyâs haul included 24-year-old Redskins quarterback Norman Snead, as well as defensive back Claude Crabb. In an attempt to win immediately, the Redskins gave up a younger player for a veteran at both positions. Swapping Jurgensenâs contract for Sneadâs also saved the Eagles $9,000.
All Jurgensen did after getting to Washington was throw for some 22,000 more yards and head to four more Pro Bowls. Snead cracked 3,000 yards just once â the same season Jurgensen led the league in both yards and touchdowns. At the time, Jurgensen was considered by many to be the best pure passer the league had ever seen, an opinion shared by the man who came in to coach Washington in 1969 â a certain Mr. Lombardi.
Eric Dickerson
The rift between the Los Angeles Rams and Eric Dickerson began in the offseason following his historic 1984 season. After breaking the single-season rushing record, Dickerson held out for the first two games of the 1985 season before the team finally granted him $4 million worth of disability coverage while he negotiated his next contract during the season. A disappointing 1985 followed, but the next season, Dickerson was again past the 1,800-yard mark.
It was the following year, 1987, when Dickerson was moved to the Colts in what was then, in terms of total players, the sixth-largest NFL trade ever. In exchange for Dickerson, the Rams received two running backs, three first-round picks (one from Indianapolis and two from Buffalo), and three second-round picks (two from Indianapolis and one from Buffalo). The Colts got Dickerson, and the Bills, in exchange for three total picks, got Cornelius Bennett, whoâd gone to Indy no. 2 overall in that yearâs draft.
Dickerson averaged more than 112 yards in his nine games for a Colts team that went to the playoffs that season, and he followed it with more than 1,600 yards the next season. That 1988 campaign marked the last season in which Dickerson would play all 16 games, and as a result, also marked the end of his dominance. Dickerson averaged 356 carries a season for his first six years, and by age 29, the tread had come off the tires. He would never manage more than 4.1 yards per carry after 1989, and that season was the last in which he carried the ball at least 200 times.
Marshall Faulk
When Faulk went to St. Louis in 1999, the trade involved the same teams as the one for Dickerson, but not nearly the same hysteria. Unwilling to renegotiate a contract that had two years remaining, the Colts sent Faulk to the Rams for a second- and fifth- round pick in that yearâs draft. Indianapolis came away from that draft with Edgerrin James, but the haul for Faulk wasnât much, considering he was arguably the leagueâs best back. According to Football Outsiders, Faulkâs defense-adjusted yards above replacement as a runner that season were fifth best in football. But being Marshall Faulk, that same metric had him as the leagueâs best receiving running back by more than 200 yards.
During his first three years in St. Louis, there was no longer anything arguable about Faulkâs standing. He caught more than 100 passes in each season, led the league in yards from scrimmage in 1999, and was named league MVP in 2000. For their careers, Faulk and James finished with similar rushing totals, but in terms of impact on an offense, thereâs really no comparison.
Champ Bailey
In terms of position and impact, the 2004 trade that sent Champ Bailey from Washington to Denver is likely to be the one mentioned with Revis. Whatâs notable about the Bailey trade isnât so much that he was traded, but what he was traded for. Other than gaudy quarterback stats, itâs hard to find a more telling example of how the league has changed than the details of that trade.
By his second season, Bailey had already become arguably the best cornerback in football. From 2000 to 2003, Washingtonâs DVOA against no. 1 receivers never dipped below fifth, despite a pass defense that ranked a lowly 23rd in 2003. In exchange for the leagueâs premier cover corner and a second-round pick, the Redskins got Clinton Portis.
At the time, the deal wasnât considered to be very lopsided. In his two seasons, Portis had gained nearly 3,100 yards on 5.5 yards per carry. But considering the deal given todayâs NFL landscape, itâs almost unfathomable. An apt comparison would be if in exchange for Revis the Jets got Doug Martin. That just isnât happening. Teams are chastised in todayâs game for taking running backs with a first-round pick; Revisâs price tag is likely that and more. Baileyâs performance against Baltimore is fresh, but with that aside, he spent much of his time in Denver as one of the leagueâs best corners. Revis is two years older than Bailey was when Bailey was traded, but Revis is a similar (if not better) caliber of player. It doesnât seem like a stretch to say that he might be the best player to ever hit the block.[/article]