Superbowl LI: The Road to Houston, Texas

Maybe because it’s very hard to play it well at NFL level?

Game is on in New York, pal… I’ll get my contacts on it asap…

Right… just always seems strange to me that this huge and incredibly well-developed system, from high school and college through the pros, does not produce more NFL-STANDARD (not elite) QB’s.

Maybe they have the ability but they’re so fucking thick or crazy they can’t handle the pressure put on them and don’t know what to do with all the money they’ve got all of a sudden.

Maybe, but the Manziel’s and Leaf’s are as rare as the elites. A lot of them are just consistently incapable of doing what the league demands of them.

Either that or the defences are out performing their expectations

Defence wins super bowls… Sent an email to Mike and Mike about it once; never heard back from the pricks, thing must have got lost in the internet

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Mike and Mike? Jesus Christ

It goes like this: while there is huge interest and money in football from HS level to college, very few offenses mirror what an NFL quarterback is asked to do. That pool is diluted even further by some of these offenses playing against sub premium defenses. Big 12 colleges use the spread because thats the bible in Texas, where the recruiting base is. SEC teams use run heavy, play action attacks because they’d get fucked up front otherwise. So most qbs out of college have to augment the way they play as soon as they hit the pros, something that may be beyond them. Pro style offense requires incredible versatility and football intelligence to master, and those requirements are only amplified once pro calibre Ds, with their schemes, speed and power are brought into the equation.

Its relative to the evolution of football too. Take Ryan Fitz: if you placed his 2015 season into the NFL of twenty years ago, he would be the league MVP. But unfortunately for him he still plays in the now, and is a below average QB. In any position at any time there will be elite, average and bad, its that the difference is more noticeable at QB more than any else.

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You’re not one of these sanctimonious gits that gives football fans in Ireland a bad name, are you Blake? You know, the type for whom it’s vitally important that everyone else in the conversation always knows that they know the most about the NFL? Anyway, thank you, I appreciate your eventual explanation or interpretation of the situation. NFL QB is certainly a unique and uniquely pressurised position, whose challenges are usually not adequately prepared for in the college game. But with the stakes so high, with the amount of money the likes of Jerry Jones, for example, is putting into Dallas, it seems mad that an entire year could be lost because there simply wasn’t anyone even approaching adequate around to replace Romo.

It’s a fact of life unfortunately. Guys like Romo are paid so much because they put their teams in position to win. The dropoff from them to a backup QB is huge. Teams are entering the year with the likes of Keenum, Gabbert and Sanchez as their best QBs, its a rarified thing to find a true franchise QB.

Browner back to Seattle, Niners look to be getting Ryan Matthews.

Paid $145 on Stubhub for a ticket up in the top tier, in the corner ie the worst seats for the New York derby last December.

You’ll be looking at same range for a Pats game there.

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Every team operates with the same salary cap so they should all theoretically be paying the same money on their squads.

QB is without doubt one of the hardest positions to play in all sport and is why the leading players get paid absolute fortunes. Even run of the mill back ups like Chase Daniel and Charlie Whitehurst have made obscene fortunes because of the premium put on the position.

I appreciate that @Matty_Hislop, and what @Blake has written (and I know that I´m labouring the point); it´s just that with high-school and college and the money and the combines and the analytics and the endless coaching hours… perhaps the unique - and beautiful - thing here is that this situation cannot be solved by money. It´s money, of course, that largely makes the difference between soccer clubs, rugby teams, most pro sport organisations - but the lack of QB´s is largely down to a deficit of skill in the playing personnel. They simply can´t find - or produce - enough NFL-standard QB´s… in all of America. I still find it a bit mad.

It’s a very complex problem Rod, but don’t underestimate the roll of defensive coordinators in all of this. Defenses these days days are filled with athletic freaks, whether it’s the man mountains on the line trying to sack the QB or the Olympic standard athletes playing in the secondary who will intercept any ball that is not thrown perfectly. They spend hours in film rooms every week pouring over QBs looking for weaknesses.

I can’t think of a position in any team sport that is harder than QB.

Totally agree with that.

There’s a difference in being an NFL standard QB (which all NFL QBs are by virtue of being on a roster) and being a serviceable or above median QB. There has to be good and bad at every position, otherwise we’d have a cross league parity of skill and performance, and that would be really mad.

Fair enough Blake, can´t argue the logic or semantics of that.

you’ll get one on stub hub or nfl ticket exchange and they are guaranteed so safe. a lot of teams sell individual game tickets during the summer, sign up for ticket alerts or follow the jets on fb etc, definitely doable

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