What did he do? He was leaking runs at a fair rate today.
The 2 Saffers have steadied the Tan ship I see? Its some farce this English Test side when all is said and done.
What I want from this series is SA to win well but Smith to carry on like his 1st innings. It would be a great start to 2010 to see him removed, such an arrogant cunt. Still though if I need him to post a century to beat the Tans I’d swallow it!
Its great stuff in Perth, I’m delighted the Windies are making a series of it. I didn’t think they’d be competitive at all. The Aussies are in warm up mode though I’d say? Bigger series for them is yet to come. Come Melbourne and Sydney tests they will be a completely different animal. They probably underestimated West Indies too which you could understand, the 1st test only added to the complacency too.
[quote=“Special Olympiakos”]The 2 Saffers have steadied the Tan ship I see? Its some farce this English Test side when all is said and done.
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Explain?
2nd wicket partnership between Trott and Strauss but you already knew that.:rolleyes:
I’m well aware of the state of the match. I’m interested in your comment about this being ‘some farce this English Test side’.
Forgive me for thinking the England & Wales Cricket team should be made up of players from those 2 countries !
Strauss & Matt Prior moved to England at a young age when their families left behind the apartheid regime in South Africa. English raised and educated and very much products of the English cricket system.
Kevin Pietersen’s mother is English and he’s an English passport holder all his life. If South Africa weren’t prepared to pick him because of their ridiculous quota system, you can hardly blame him for throwing his lot in with his mothers country at the age of 25.
[quote=“Manuel Zelaya”]Strauss & Matt Prior moved to England at a young age when their families left behind the apartheid regime in South Africa. English raised and educated and very much products of the English cricket system.
Kevin Pietersen’s mother is English and he’s an English passport holder all his life. If South Africa weren’t prepared to pick him because of their ridiculous quota system, you can hardly blame him for throwing his lot in with his mothers country at the age of 25.[/quote]
So they’re South African hten? Thanks for clearing that up Evo.
What carry on? What are you talking about?
[quote=“Manuel Zelaya”]Quite a knock of 102 from Chris Gayle. Thought Sir Viv’s 56 ball century was under threat for a while.
I see our mouthpiece from Down Under has major issues with Gayle’s captaincy. No mention of the fact that the WIndies are missing their two best bowlers in Fidel Edwards & Jerome Taylor and Roach was carrying a knock into this test.
Mind you, this is the same insightful mind who proclaimed that Ricky Ponting was ‘flawless’ in the captaincy stakes in the Ashes. Overlooking a few small details like Ponting’s haplessness in the field as Jimmy Andersen & Monty Panesar batted out the last 12 overs for a draw in Cardiff and not picking a spinner for the dust bowl that was the Oval.[/quote]
If you were even watching the match, or series, you would know that Gayle is a clueless captain and Bravo is actually running the show.
Absolutely incredible knock by Gayle yesterday, 5th fastest century in test history, he made absolute shit of Johnson, it was hilarious at times. He’s a crap captain, but fuck when he gets going he knocks the ball harder than anyone. Outstanding days cricket, it could be heading for a draw now.
Words of wisdom from that great judge of captains. Have you got around to watching the final afternoons play from Cardiff yet or noticed the non selection of a spinner at the Oval?
It could lead to a dramatic reassessment of ‘Flawless Captain Ponting’
Using your xenopobobic and racist criteria, there’s been plenty of ‘non-Australians’ who have played for Australia over the years. The list includes possibly the greatest every spin bowler, the New Zealander Clarrie Grimmett, Archie Jackson, Kepler Wessels, Dav Whatmore, Brendan Julian & Andrew Symonds. Indeed its a tradition that stretches all the way back to Englishman Charles Bannerman, who was the first man to score a century in test cricket for his adopted Australia.
On the subject of the racial make up (or lack of it) of the Australian team, did you get around to reading this piece in your local rag recently?
Sydney Morning Herald.
THERE is something obviously white about the Australian cricket team - and it’s not just their kit. While England and South Africa have long tapped into rich pools of ethnic talent, fielding players with names such as Shafayat, Hussein and Ntini, the Australian team remains as solidly Anglo as in the days of Bradman and Miller.
"I have long asked myself: ‘When is Australian cricket going to find its ethnic stars?’ " Raj Natarajan, president of the India Sports Club and coach says. “The talent is there. Lots of young kids from India and Sri Lanka play at grade level but after that we don’t see them because they are not given the same encouragement and training as an Anglo-Saxon kids.”
Natarajan played first-class cricket in Bangalore before coming to Australia in 1988, when he began coaching. He says Australian administrators need to learn from football and rugby, which have embraced ethnic and indigenous communities. “The administrators can’t get past thinking that anybody but a white Anglo guy with blonde hair should be in the team. And that attitude permeates every level, from national selectors to local clubs.”
Cricket Australia disagrees, pointing to its Culturally and Linguistically Diverse program, the most notable products of which include Pakistan-born NSW player Usman Khawaja, and the Imparja Cup, a state indigenous competition played each February in Alice Springs.
“South Africa is a bit ahead of us here because they have had a policy of fast-tracking people of colour,” says Damien Bown, general manager of game development for Cricket Australia. "We select people on merit. Besides, lots of Australian players have been from ethnic backgrounds, including Simon Katich, who is Croatian, and Jason Gillespie, who is Aboriginal.’’
The absence of players from the subcontinent is “more culturally complex”, according to Indian-born Australian women’s team representative, Lisa Sthalekar. “Lots of Indians, Sri Lankans and Pakistanis play in the early stages of cricket but many of them drop out when it gets serious to focus more on their work. It’s also the case, certainly in women’s cricket, that a lot of Indians don’t want to get any darker, and so they don’t want to spend any more time in the sun than they have to.”
Sthalekar, a former vice-captain of the women’s team, grew up playing for West Pennant Hills. “There was no girls’ competition so I had to play in the boys’ side. And I didn’t cop too much flack.”
Suffan Hassan, 15, is in the under-16 city Emerging Blues development squad and trains four times a week. His parents are from Pakistan and he does not see that as a barrier to playing high-level cricket in Australia.
‘‘My goals are to play first grade for my club, make NSW and obviously [play for] Australia,’’ he said.
[quote=“Manuel Zelaya”]Using your xenopobobic and racist criteria, there’s been plenty of ‘non-Australians’ who have played for Australia over the years. The list includes possibly the greatest every spin bowler, the New Zealander Clarrie Grimmett, Archie Jackson, Kepler Wessels, Dav Whatmore, Brendan Julian & Andrew Symonds. Indeed its a tradition that stretches all the way back to Englishman Charles Bannerman, who was the first man to score a century in test cricket for his adopted Australia.
On the subject of the racial make up (or lack of it) of the Australian team, did you get around to reading this piece in your local rag recently?
Sydney Morning Herald.
THERE is something obviously white about the Australian cricket team - and it’s not just their kit. While England and South Africa have long tapped into rich pools of ethnic talent, fielding players with names such as Shafayat, Hussein and Ntini, the Australian team remains as solidly Anglo as in the days of Bradman and Miller.
"I have long asked myself: ‘When is Australian cricket going to find its ethnic stars?’ " Raj Natarajan, president of the India Sports Club and coach says. “The talent is there. Lots of young kids from India and Sri Lanka play at grade level but after that we don’t see them because they are not given the same encouragement and training as an Anglo-Saxon kids.”
Natarajan played first-class cricket in Bangalore before coming to Australia in 1988, when he began coaching. He says Australian administrators need to learn from football and rugby, which have embraced ethnic and indigenous communities. “The administrators can’t get past thinking that anybody but a white Anglo guy with blonde hair should be in the team. And that attitude permeates every level, from national selectors to local clubs.”
Cricket Australia disagrees, pointing to its Culturally and Linguistically Diverse program, the most notable products of which include Pakistan-born NSW player Usman Khawaja, and the Imparja Cup, a state indigenous competition played each February in Alice Springs.
“South Africa is a bit ahead of us here because they have had a policy of fast-tracking people of colour,” says Damien Bown, general manager of game development for Cricket Australia. "We select people on merit. Besides, lots of Australian players have been from ethnic backgrounds, including Simon Katich, who is Croatian, and Jason Gillespie, who is Aboriginal.’’
The absence of players from the subcontinent is “more culturally complex”, according to Indian-born Australian women’s team representative, Lisa Sthalekar. “Lots of Indians, Sri Lankans and Pakistanis play in the early stages of cricket but many of them drop out when it gets serious to focus more on their work. It’s also the case, certainly in women’s cricket, that a lot of Indians don’t want to get any darker, and so they don’t want to spend any more time in the sun than they have to.”
Sthalekar, a former vice-captain of the women’s team, grew up playing for West Pennant Hills. “There was no girls’ competition so I had to play in the boys’ side. And I didn’t cop too much flack.”
Suffan Hassan, 15, is in the under-16 city Emerging Blues development squad and trains four times a week. His parents are from Pakistan and he does not see that as a barrier to playing high-level cricket in Australia.
‘‘My goals are to play first grade for my club, make NSW and obviously [play for] Australia,’’ he said.[/quote]
How am I xenophobic and racist Evo? I just thanked you for pointing out that those players are South African. And Clarrie Gimmett is the greatest ever spin bowler? Perhaps you’ve heard of Shane Ware or Murali?
And yes, I have read that article, as you’ve posted it before. I’m not quite sure what point it tries to make though. It says there aren’t enough non white players in the Australian test team and then goes on to talk to young Indian or Pakistani related players in Australia who seem quite happy with everything. You’ll see Usman Khawaja playing for Australia soon, he hit a great century for NSW last week.
And you seem to be under the impression I think Ponting is a great captain. Where are you getting that idea? Have a read what I’ve said about him, he’s far from a great captain.
Stick to the point, are you going to defend Chris Gayle’s captaincy?
As for your thinly veiled attack on Mitchell Johnson, yes, he and Brad Haddin should be suspended for a test after yesterday’s carry on. But I note that you fail to mention Suli Benn, who started the whole thing by trying to flatten Johnson as he ran between the wickets. The only one who’s xenophobic around here Evo, is you.
[quote=“Fitzy”]How am I xenophobic and racist Evo? I just thanked you for pointing out that those players are South African. And Clarrie Gimmett is the greatest ever spin bowler? Perhaps you’ve heard of Shane Ware or Murali?
And yes, I have read that article, as you’ve posted it before. I’m not quite sure what point it tries to make though. It says there aren’t enough non white players in the Australian test team and then goes on to talk to young Indian or Pakistani related players in Australia who seem quite happy with everything. You’ll see Usman Khawaja playing for Australia soon, he hit a great century for NSW last week.
And you seem to be under the impression I think Ponting is a great captain. Where are you getting that idea? Have a read what I’ve said about him, he’s far from a great captain.
Stick to the point, are you going to defend Chris Gayle’s captaincy?
As for your thinly veiled attack on Mitchell Johnson, yes, he and Brad Haddin should be suspended for a test after yesterday’s carry on. But I note that you fail to mention Suli Benn, who started the whole thing by trying to flatten Johnson as he ran between the wickets. The only one who’s xenophobic around here Evo, is you.[/quote]
There was an interview on Sky with Strauss in advance of the first test at Centurion and he stated that he was 100% an Englishman. As has been said many times, his family left apatheid riven South Africa and moved to England, when he was very young.
You are racist and xenobophobic because you persistently use race and nationality as a mechanism for personal attack on the English cricet team. Place of birth has never been the test for domicile either in law or sport.
I take it your view of the world you have major issues with the fact that the Eire soccer team has consistently drawn on players who were born outside of the jurisdiction. Presumably Paul McGrath wouldn’t qualify as an Irishman becuase he was born in England and only moved here at a young age?
No doubt you’re vociferous in your criticism of the Wallaby rugby team calling on so many players who were born outside of Australia.
Where do you stand on Wexford’s greatest ever hurling team of the 1950’s, early 60’s? Nick O’Donnell & Tom Ryan were from Kilkenny, Mick Morrisey was from Carlow, Seamus Quaid from Limerick and Ned Wheeler was born in Laois.
As regards Chris Gayle, he’s been a good captain for the West Indies. He’s no Clive Lloyd, but he’s done a good job in very trying circumstances. Whatever about their ability (or lack of it), for the first time in over a decade he’s unified the players on the field. WEst Indies cricet is riddled with problems. Internal politics, rivalry between the islands, strife between players and the West Indian cricket board, lack of funding, lack of talent not to mention on this tour, a catalogue of injuries to key personnel such as Fidel Edwards, Jerome Taylor, Sarwan & Chanderpaul.
I’ve no doubt you heard some Australian commentator make a criticism about how Gayle had set his field and you came on here to have a cut at him and make yourself sound all intellectual. This is the same insightful mind who though Ponting was ‘flawless’ in the captaincy stakes during last summers Ashes and who was touting the genius of the hopeless Phil Hughes.
Tony Cozier the doyen of West Indies cricket broadcasters for more than half a century has been fulsome in his praise for Chris Gayle as captain. Did you watch the England/West Indies series in the Caribbean last spring when Gayle outcaptained Andrew Strauss in the WIndies home series win? There was no Dwyane Bravo to call on then. He was injured.
Did you watch the drawn West Indies/Sri Lanka series which the WIndies came so close to winning. What were your views on Gayle’s performance as captain in the first test against South Africa in Port Elizabeth when the WIndies recorded their first ever win test win in South Africa?
E&W in a spot of bother now at 191-5. Bell just went for 5 when he needed to hang around and score more like 55. How many more chances will he get I wonder? Questions also about Cook who is not in good form. Petersen went for 40 just when he was starting to motor.
Perth test seems to be a cracker. Aus well ahead but lost 8 wickets today. 16 lost in total today.
348/9 now, Swann on 81 no but running out of partners. E&W 70 behind.
[quote=“balbec”]E&W in a spot of bother now at 191-5. Bell just went for 5 when he needed to hang around and score more like 55. How many more chances will he get I wonder? Questions also about Cook who is not in good form. Petersen went for 40 just when he was starting to motor.
Perth test seems to be a cracker. Aus well ahead but lost 8 wickets today. 16 lost in total today.[/quote]
Terrific stuff from Jimmy Anderson and Swanny here. 9th wicket stand of 106. Swanny giving Chris Gayle a run for his money! 81 off 75 balls. Hopefully he can bring up the century before he runs out of batting partners.
Great days play in Perth. The worry I would have though is if 16 wickets fell on Day 3, the wicket is hardly overly conducive to a successful run chase. Still South Africa chased down 414 to win in Perth this time last year and looked like they could have hit a thousand runs if they had batted their innings out. Chris Gayle’s wicket will be key though.
[quote=“Manuel Zelaya”]Terrific stuff from Jimmy Anderson and Swanny here. 9th wicket stand of 106. Swanny giving Chris Gayle a run for his money! 81 off 75 balls. Hopefully he can bring up the century before he runs out of batting partners.
Great days play in Perth. The worry I would have though is if 16 wickets fell on Day 3, the wicket is hardly overly conducive to a successful run chase. Still South Africa chased down 414 to win in Perth this time last year and looked like they could have hit a thousand runs if they had batted their innings out. Chris Gayle’s wicket will be key though.[/quote]
Swanny WTF !!
Hes gone down the Swanny now Manual, 15 short of the century too. 
Common sense prevailed in Perth. Benn got a 2 game ban whilst the 2 Aussies got off with fines.
