I bet you believed the half a billion estimate too. The Welfate Cheats campaign cost 150k. It resulted in the recovery of 300k.
Thatâs the problem with the likes of yourself. You believe what they tell you when even the slightest bit of research would prove theyâre telling porkies.
No idea.
The new enforcement sanctions regime of CBI has teeth and was introduced because criminal prosecutions are so difficulty in that space. Sanctions and fines do bite and people lose their jobs over it and wonât work in FS again.
FWIW I donât think Ireland is a particularly corrupt country. Our politicians are generally sub par but I donât think they are on the make.
The Departmentâs policy is to consider for prosecution all cases of fraud against the social welfare system. In considering which cases to prosecute, the Department applies defined and recognised practice standards, set by the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP).
Social Welfare Legislation cases finalised successfully in Court - 2018-2020
eleven jailed last year with a number of cases before the courts
Cases of very serious suspected fraud such as impersonation are referred to An Garda SĂochĂĄna for investigation and consideration of prosecution under the the Criminal Justice Theft & Fraud Act via the DPP.
Cases referred to An Garda SĂochĂĄna - 2018-2020
|Year|2018|2019|2020|
|No. of cases|74|82|82|
while the CBI has teeth with respect to admin sanctions, we had the farcical situation recently with davy where the authorised officers didnt see fraud, and then davy, even after being non cooperative until a very late stage, got the full benefit of the voluntary disclosure.
the minute CBI looked at this, it should have been apparent that there may have been fraud involved and that the GNECB shouldve been called in.
CBI dont seem to be progressing well with their fit and proper test either
Yes I donât get how encouraging people to report others committing welfare fraud is seen as descipable
So whatâs the issue?
It does yes but we were taking about welfare fraud and thatâs what you quoted. Iâve dealt with your usual deflection so please get back to what we were discussing.
So it saved money then, why are you getting prickly about it?
I donât begrudge it at all. You read into it what you want though as usual.
its not a usual deflection, its incredibly pertinent to the point. i can see however why blueshirts like yourself would prefer to focus on welfare fraud rather than corporate malfeasance which costs multiples of what benefit fraud costs.
i suppose youre going to tell us next that people on welfare caused the fall of anglo and INBS?
It isnât.
It isnât either or.
You do this boring thing of trying to deflect and bring up Blueshirts regularly.
Iâm on record in saying that small business owners get away a lot with tax here and there needs to be more enforcement. Anything that reduces that or wider corruption works for me.
So Iâve addressed your deflection- now either engage on the specific thing you quoted (re social welfare) or go away.
100%. A classic neoliberalist stunt to pit the most vulnerable in society against each other, and ensure that the middle/upper classes retain their powerful position in society.
@Tim_Riggins is Ryan Tubridy
Ok I have to spell it out.
They said they could recover half a billion. The implication being that there was widespread fraud being carried put by recipients when this wasnât the case at all.
Meanwhile the same people brought in a few iffy rules to allow large companies to pay no tax.
Isnât it generally accepted that youâll always have 3 or 4 percent unemployment in a country? Thereâs a small cohort thatâll never ever work no matter what.
Surely the point on reporting well fare cheats is to discourage others from doing it as opposed to actually catching people out.
4% is basically full employment
It was the equivalent of telling people to look at the young lad robbing penny sweets from the corner shop so that no one would notice lads robbing the bank of millions a few doors down. The likes of @Tim_Riggins would see the real robbery, stand and applaud them and then start tut-tutting the young lad.
Can we not condemn both ?