The Cristiano Ronaldo is a Fraud Thread

He was a magician ā€¦he could do things with a ball none of the others could ā€¦ they all have their virtues and faults ā€¦ but for a few years he was just sensational and a complete joy to watchā€¦ you can get into stats and medals and all thatā€¦ whateverā€¦ on his day he was just immense to watch and thatā€™s good enough for meā€¦

Thereā€™s 20 more players we could all argue aboutā€¦ Iā€™ll never forget Rivaldoā€™s hatrick/performance for Barca against Valencia on the last day of season to qualify for the CLā€¦ Cannavarno was another absolute legend ā€¦ the art of defending doesnt get half enough creditā€¦ and on we could go.

Yes, yes I wasā€¦ We didnt all live in a mud hut with a makeshift transistor radio for our only entertainmentā€¦RTE2, Channel 4 and Eurosport showed Italian football back then ā€¦ and I think the chap may have played in a couple of world cups?

well considering you are lauding Ronaldo for winning a final that he only played the first 15 minutes in contributing nothing, Iā€™m not sure there is much place else to go in that debate.

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Heā€™s cherry picked the last 3 years when Barca were going through a transition to show that Ronaldo is the better player ā€¦ Despite Barca dominating Madrid for yearsā€¦ and of course, football is only a one man game, we forget that.

How many finals of international tournaments has Messi lost, playing 90 minutes or longer?

Ronaldo has a much better record since 2013, thereā€™s really not much of a debate. If he wins the CL and Ballon dā€™Or again this year, it isnā€™t even an argument.

No doubting his talent but weā€™re talking about the GOAT. Attitude and longevity have to be considered.

Another one who failed pass Maths in the leaving.
2018 - 2013 = 5.

Messi had more goals in 2 of those seasons ā€” and has far more assists over that period as a whole. Ronaldo has more goals ā€” But Ronaldo is a poacher who pisses and moans and wont track back ā€” the other puts himself all over the park to help his team mates, provides far more goals and his goal scoring is also phenomenalā€¦Messi is the complete player and has to provide and score ā€¦ Ronaldo, more often than not, gets to stand around throwing his hands in the air until he gets it the ball on a plate.

You seem to be judging team success as indicators of individual greatnessā€¦ and I dont think anyone that takes soccer anyway serious takes Ballon dā€™ors into account, palā€¦ youā€™re kinda embarrassing yourself there

so the fact that Argentina (not Messi) lost international finals means that Portugal (not Ronaldo) winning a final without Ronaldo contributing means Ronaldo is a better player. Thats some fucked up logic right there.

And what with the magical 2013 year as a reference point? Is everything before that not counted as an overall tally of a players career?

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http://www.givemesport.com/786753-pele-names-his-favourite-player-of-alltime

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Poor old @anon7035031 - He tries hard in fairness.

Remember when he said Colombia would win the 94 World Cup? Or that Spain would win the 98 World Cup? Heā€™s a fucking simpleton, a bit of a Christy Ring shall we say.

He picked El Hadji Diouf as one of the best 100 players to have played the game. No more needs to be said.

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He said an African team would win the WC by 2010 I thinkā€¦Or did he mean host it?

Win it. TBH, his endorsement would actually lessen Bests legacy in any right minded person.

He called Nii Lamptey The New Pele once. This was in the same tournament at which a young Alessandro Del Piero played. He failed to notice Del Piero, obviously.

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You seem to believe not playing in finals is the same thing as winning finals. Your logic of the player who has won more awards being the better player is also spectacularly flawed. Use your eyes mate

Iniesta was a better player than Zidane

The choir boy is one of the most underrated footballers everā€¦heā€™d be the star of any other team but Ronaldinho and then Messiā€¦

Only man to win man of the match in a World Cup Final, a European Championship Final and a Champions League Final

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