The Farmer hates Oasis Smashing Tunes thread

Oasis were definitely not the biggest band of the 90s if you take america into account surely. Id say nirvana or Metallica would blow them out of the water for worldwide album sales.

I think that says more about America than it does about anything else.

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Not surprised they died of a heart attack. What a load of wank.

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You don’t have to dislike Oasis to recognise it’s a brilliant bit of writing with very uncomfortable truths contained in it.

And well you know it.

Mate.

The acid test for any band is cracking American. Oasis couldn’t do it.

The same fella whose entire understanding of geopolitics is “America or anybody on good terms with America = baddies” turns out to be an American cultural hegemonist.

You couldn’t make it up. :joy:

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Yeah it’s on the money in a lot of ways but your man disappears up his own hole a bit by the end of it. The main thing he’s wrong on is that oasis have some absolutely brilliant rock and roll, sing a long songs. The type of lads they are, where they come from and the organic nature of their success is obviously a huge part of their appeal too, it’s more or less unique and there’s nothing manufactured about it either.

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Be Here Now charted at number 2 in the States, held off by the pulling power of Puff Daddy’s lament to a dead rapper that caught the hearts of the entire world. Tragic in so many ways.

Nah. A load of wank is what it is.

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I see a problem with your recollection. One was an album, the other was a song, and I mean song in the loosest possible terms.

Had Puff Daddy been put away for his crimes against music as he so deserved to be, he might have been stopped committing at least some other heinous non-musical crimes.

I meant the pulling power of the song which drove the album sales, which kept Be Here Now off the top spot.

You’re proving the author’s point.

Gallagher taking crack cocaine before he was due out on stage turned him sour in the hearts and minds of Americans. Perception of him over there was never the same after that.

They were still a very big band and have had great success. Cracking America is very tough… They were a good band, not a great band. But there’s no shame in that.

You cant and shouldnt fight dead rappers.

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They were big at a time when there was a lull in music… You need more than that rule Britannia auld tripe to make it in the states. That was kinda done in the 60s but with more mass appeal.

There are so many things that are true.

For two years Oasis were a whirlwind of some of the best rock n roll music ever made. The highest point wasn’t Knebworth, it was Maine Road. By Knebworth they were already on the descent.

Noel Gallagher was a genius songwriter. What he did is the hardest thing in the world to do, to make songs which ingrain themselves in the heads of hundreds of millions of people more than even any of the Beatles’ songs did. There were people at the time who said anybody could do what he did, and yet nobody since has come remotely close to doing it.

Brilliance made them ubiquitous. That ubiquity hastened their descent, and hastened the backlash. It also shaped their crowds for the next 12 years or so, which became sausage fests of the exact type of people described in that article.

Oasis’s music became associated with the sort of facial expression beloved of England footballers who would look angry after scoring a goal.

There’s a sort of a weird paradox here. Bands like The Cure whose music was often relentlessly sad, dark and reflective tend to have fans who are lovely people.

Oasis’s music at its best was exuberant, effervescent and undefeatable yet so many Oasis fans are the exact stereotype of a cultural monochrome, of a deeply incurious, willingly ossified brain. Cunts in other words.

So much shite and boorish English culture piggybacked on the coat tails of Oasis, the exact culture which did lead on to Brexit. English “lad” culture of the 1990s was the cultural equivalent of a man drunk on Carling pissing all over the floor of a pub toilet and then getting sick in the same place, and then falling into it and nibbling at the mess like former poster @thedancingbaby once nibbled on something brown as he sat on a Glasgow kerb.

And Oasis themselves often embraced this ossified culture with their music from 1997 on, they put out some awful plodding, gammony filler on each album thereafter.

Oasis are like the 2012 London Olympics. The 2012 Olympics was an absolute blast but it meant different things to different people. For some it was an incredible celebration of internationalism and Britain embracing the world. For others it stirred hateful nationalism and colonialism, idiots saw the butcher’s apron everywhere and wanted to send THEM home.

Oasis embraced the butcher’s apron too. Some people got it and some didn’t.

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I find most people our age at oasis or oasis spin off gigs in Ireland are sound anyway

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