It really irks me when pundits refer to counties like they are a person/singular e.g. “Limerick has the ball”
Are they entitled to do that?
[QUOTE=“TreatyStones, post: 973702, member: 1786”]It really irks me when pundits refer to counties like they are a person/singular e.g. “Limerick has the ball”
Are they entitled to do that?[/QUOTE]
It depends who they’re playing and if they’re allowed have the ball I guess.
I will gut you
I had to check it wasn’t MBB who had replied there
[QUOTE=“TreatyStones, post: 973702, member: 1786”]It really irks me when pundits refer to counties like they are a person/singular e.g. “Limerick has the ball”
Are they entitled to do that?[/QUOTE]
It depends on the context.
When the team is one entity, it is singular. When they act as individuals (even as a group of individuals acting together) they are plural.
E.g. Limerick is well on track to win a Munster final.
E.g. Limerick are finding it tough to match the fitness of their Clare counterparts.
It’s fairly complex. Best rule of thumb is not to presume anyone is wrong because it’s hard to be definitively right.
I expect at least half a dozen informative ratings here.
[QUOTE=“Rocko, post: 973837, member: 1”]It depends on the context.
When the team is one entity, it is singular. When they act as individuals (even as a group of individuals acting together) they are plural.
E.g. Limerick is well on track to win a Munster final.
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Hmmm that doesn’t seem right to me Rocko.
That’s what annoys me.
I wouldn’t get too annoyed by Rocko being wrong mate, life are too short.
It might not seem right but it is right.
There is a bit of convention at play here too. In the US, sports teams are usually referred to in the singular, except where the nickname is plural (New York is going to the Super Bowl but the New York Jets are making the playoffs). In Ireland and Britain it tends to be plural mostly. But the rules I have outlined above are correct.
[QUOTE=“Rocko, post: 973861, member: 1”]It might not seem right but it is right.
There is a bit of convention at play here too. In the US, sports teams are usually referred to in the singular, except where the nickname is plural (New York is going to the Super Bowl but the New York Jets are making the playoffs). In Ireland and Britain it tends to be plural mostly. But the rules I have outlined above are correct.[/QUOTE]
You and your Americanized English can fuck right off.
[QUOTE=“Rocko, post: 973837, member: 1”]It depends on the context.
When the team is one entity, it is singular. When they act as individuals (even as a group of individuals acting together) they are plural.
E.g. Limerick is well on track to win a Munster final.
E.g. Limerick are finding it tough to match the fitness of their Clare counterparts.
It’s fairly complex. Best rule of thumb is not to presume anyone is wrong because it’s hard to be definitively right.
I expect at least half a dozen informative ratings here.[/QUOTE]
Wrong. See Micheal Swan - Practical English Usage, pg519 - for reference:
In British English, singular words like family, team, government, which refer to groups of people, can have either singular or plural verbs and pronouns.
-The team is/are going to lose.
Furthermore:
When a group noun is used with a singular determiner (e.g. a/an, each, every, this that) singular verbs and pronouns are normal. Compare:
-The team are full of enthusiasm.
-A team which is full of enthusiasm has a better chance of winning (more natural than A team who are full…)
He then goes on to note that the Americans have slightly different rules regarding singular nouns and plural verbs, before pointing out that both them and Rocko are ‘a shower of septic illiterate cunts.’.
[QUOTE=“Turenne, post: 973868, member: 232”]Wrong. See Micheal Swan - Practical English Usage, pg519 - for reference:
[CODE] In British English, singular words like family, team, government, which refer to groups of people, can have either singular or plural verbs and pronouns.
-The team is/are going to lose. [/CODE]
Furthermore:
[CODE]When a group noun is used with a singular determiner (e.g. a/an, each, every, this that) singular verbs and pronouns are normal. Compare:
-The team are full of enthusiasm.
-A team which is full of enthusiasm has a better chance of winning (more natural than A team who are full…)[/CODE]
He then goes on to note that the Americans have slightly different rules regarding singular nouns and plural verbs, before pointing out that both them and Rocko are ‘a shower of septic illiterate cunts.’.[/QUOTE]
Firstly, Practical English Usage is hardly a definitive source for English grammar.
Secondly, there is nothing you have quoted above that is contradictory of what I have said.
Thirdly, please see: http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/learnit/learnitv163.shtml or http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/grammar/learnit/learnitv358.shtml or
the highly reputable Grammar Monster: http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/singular_plural_%20collective_noun.htm
@anon32894817 earlier today on the NHL thread talking about ‘The greatest off all time’ and the ‘Clare brains thrust’.
Tassoti spilling the beans about Chocolatemice’s misspent youth selling ‘yolks’ for Mikey Kelly cracked me up.
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Poor chap has thrust issues
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You’ve turned into an awful cunt the past few months Mac. You used to be an alright sort.
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Are you an academic
Maths Joseph.
What collage
Ul
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