[QUOTE=“balbec, post: 1102770, member: 193”]Whoa! Not the Tories fault that no one buys the Guardian any more. The BBC are permanently anti-Tory.
The Lib Dems don’t know who they are. I hope they get wiped out but they won’t.
Labour knew what they were getting when they elected the brother stabber. The architect of the bonkers climate change bill. A fella who never worked a day in his life.
How has the NHS been destroyed?Cameron ring fenced health spending. He should have taken an axe to it, like they are finally doing to welfare spending. 5million brits wasting their lives on benefits thanks to Labour bribing the electorate for 13 years. Bringing in an army of emigrants and alright sorts like @Tassotti[/USER] , [USER=1137]@The Big Cheese[/USER] and [USER=1170]@flattythehurdler to run the country for them.
Gove damaged education by bringing in choice for parents and demanding increases in standards. British kids need to learn about the basics. It’s only the scores of the immigrant kids that keep averages up in London for example. If you are white working class, Labour doesn’t care. That’s why UKIP are doing well.
Cameron’s mistake was not to move to the right. Forget the touchy feely Islington shit and go back to Conservative basics, restore military spending, slash International aid and bring back fox hunting.[/QUOTE]
I think Rupert might have something to do with it too @balbec.
Spending needed to go up dramatically on spending with population and age profile in the country. Services deteriorating hugely and Tories are quite rightly lambasted for what they have done.
Gove may have demanded an increase in standards but he sure as hell did not get one. Building new schools and building does not teach kids, Getting motivated teachers who are well qualified does make big impact but that might mean increased spending and that isn’t going to happen with Tories.
UKIP rise being vastly overplayed. Amount of coverage they get is unreal considering they will struggle to get more than a few seats.
The fact that Cameron has been so fearful of them is hilarious and will cost him majority. Vast majority of UKIP voters are former Tories and not Labour supporters as you claim.
Even if they were white and working class as you claim then getting Cameron to move to the right to get this group to vote for him would be very foolish and counterproductive. But anyway your claim that white working class voters will be voting for UKIP and not Labour is just not true.
I challenge you to name five seats that are held by Labour that UKIP have even a decent chance of winning.
[QUOTE=“Raymond Crotty, post: 1102780, member: 25”]I think Rupert might have something to do with it too @balbec.
Spending needed to go up dramatically on spending with population and age profile in the country. Services deteriorating hugely and Tories are quite rightly lambasted for what they have done.
Gove may have demanded an increase in standards but he sure as hell did not get one. Building new schools and building does not teach kids, Getting motivated teachers who are well qualified does make big impact but that might mean increased spending and that isn’t going to happen with Tories.
UKIP rise being vastly overplayed. Amount of coverage they get is unreal considering they will struggle to get more than a few seats.
The fact that Cameron has been so fearful of them is hilarious and will cost him majority. Vast majority of UKIP voters are former Tories and not Labour supporters as you claim.
Even if they were white and working class as you claim then getting Cameron to move to the right to get this group to vote for him would be very foolish and counterproductive. But anyway your claim that white working class voters will be voting for UKIP and not Labour is just not true.
I challenge you to name five seats that are held by Labour that UKIP have even a decent chance of winning.[/QUOTE]
Maybe Blair’s friendship with Rupert’s wife has something to do with it? I actually agree with a lot of what you say. but I don’t subscribe to the “Evil Tories” script.
I don’t expect UKIP to take Labour seats but they will take votes from labour. Farage will get in and maybe the two turncoats, Carswell probably. That’s it then. All the Tories need to do is keep playing the economy card and the soft UK vote will come back. Labour’s challenge will be to make the 35% which with the unfairly proportioned constituencies will mean that they can scrape a majority. The SNP will put paid to that plan and Labour will be the second largest party. Convention would suggest that in that situation the Conservatives would have first shot at forming a Government, either a minority or a coalition. But there is no doubt that Labour will break that convention and do a deal with the SNP for power. If Milliband is able to knife his brother, doing a deal with the SNP won’t be a problem. Then again that’s another card for the Tories to play. I’ll tell you one thing though Larry, the cuts haven’t even started in the UK yet. No matter who gets in.
Who is this Crotty lad? didn’t he predict Scottish Independence in the referendum last September? aye, some political analyst that lad, do yourself a favor and leave UK Politics to the experts mate
Incorrect. In fact I said the exact opposite and backed accordingly.
Have you been eating something strange or has your exercise routine changed? Your clarity levels are shocking.
[QUOTE=“balbec, post: 1102862, member: 193”]Maybe Blair’s friendship with Rupert’s wife has something to do with it? I actually agree with a lot of what you say. but I don’t subscribe to the “Evil Tories” script.
I don’t expect UKIP to take Labour seats but they will take votes from labour. Farage will get in and maybe the two turncoats, Carswell probably. That’s it then. All the Tories need to do is keep playing the economy card and the soft UK vote will come back. Labour’s challenge will be to make the 35% which with the unfairly proportioned constituencies will mean that they can scrape a majority. The SNP will put paid to that plan and Labour will be the second largest party. Convention would suggest that in that situation the Conservatives would have first shot at forming a Government, either a minority or a coalition. But there is no doubt that Labour will break that convention and do a deal with the SNP for power. If Milliband is able to knife his brother, doing a deal with the SNP won’t be a problem. Then again that’s another card for the Tories to play. I’ll tell you one thing though Larry, the cuts haven’t even started in the UK yet. No matter who gets in.[/QUOTE]
It may well have indeed.
I agree UKIP will take votes from Labour. They will take more from the Tories though. Guaranteed to get loads of second places and while that might be good to build on for 2020 it is useless now in FPP.
In key marginals there aren’t that many where votes for UKIP will prevent Tories getting in. Where Tories need to target is centre ground and take votes from Labour and former Lib Dems. They cannot outflank UKIP on right but they can win votes if they go for triangulation. They won’t though so will fail to get an overall majority despite very favourably circumstances for them.
[QUOTE=“Raymond Crotty, post: 1103165, member: 25”]It may well have indeed.
I agree UKIP will take votes from Labour. They will take more from the Tories though. Guaranteed to get loads of second places and while that might be good to build on for 2020 it is useless now in FPP.
In key marginals there aren’t that many where votes for UKIP will prevent Tories getting in. Where Tories need to target is centre ground and take votes from Labour and former Lib Dems. They cannot outflank UKIP on right but they can win votes if they go for triangulation. They won’t though so will fail to get an overall majority despite very favourably circumstances for them.[/QUOTE]
@Raymond Crotty[/USER], it’s futile debating against someone like [USER=193]@balbec whose sole tactic is repeated glib comments lifted directly from The Daily Telegraph.
I would support a ‘Come dine with me’ style debate cum dinner party. Milliband could impale himself while eating a bit of ice cream, Clegg could get off with the bint from the Greens, Nige could get pissed and Dave could show off his skills honed in the Bullingdon by thrashing the place.
I actually agree with a lot of what you say. but I don’t subscribe to the “Evil Tories” script.