Complete nonsense. The situation in dozens of cities was spiraling out of control and a strong police presence helped to quell it. Considering the scale of the civil unrest, to expect no incidents of police violence like we have had is laughably naïve.
Yeah and most of them were pushing and what you’d expect to see where’s there civil unrest.
The moral handwringing of the police pushing back during major civil unrest v the amount of murders and physical assault and looting and rioting is something to behold. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Want to see the videos of the black men who have been murderrd during these protests/riots or the 100s of case of looting and serious physical assualt?
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Some middle class white dope Karen giving the fuck you to black police men doing their job. Unreal.
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Of course some protestors (not all) will look to provoke police and of course they’re looking for incident to go viral - maybe someone should have pointed that out to the boys in blue before some of them lost their shit.
I hold police everywhere, by the nature of their role, to a higher standard than criminals. I know criminals are scum - I expect that police aren’t. I tend not to equate them - I’m surprised you do
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When I get time I’ll start a thread on the trial of the four officers. Just for balance I’ll take the side of the defense attorneys and their strategies. If you think this week has been bad, wait until the aftermath of the trial if the mob don’t get what they want.
My early projection: Chauvin to be convicted of third degree murder, the other three to be acquitted.
rumours on twitter about the auld lad whose head got cracked open, he was a dealer in the projects
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Is your argument essentially that it’s impressive that the police didn’t descend to the level of rioters/criminals!
I think his argument is that cops are human and regardless of training are going to react like humans in a violent setting. In a force of 700,000 you are obviously going to get a percentage that range from ill disciplined to psycho.
How much of the police forces in the States are made up of ex-military?
I don’t equate them.
You do, you say some police officers have ‘lost their shit’ by what, enforcing a curfew? Some have gone way beyond what’s reasonable but what percentage overall. It’s impossible to expect otherwise.
In terms of acts of violence, damage caused, and murders, the rioters, which believe it or not some protestors become, have way outstripped any police malfeasance the past week. But every baton drawn is an act of aggression in your eyes, while every shop looted is an act of understandable anger.
That’s the bias you are showing here, as proven by your assertion that ‘the police initially looked over aggressive’ every one of them? Or every one in an incident you saw went viral on Twitter?
My argument is that there isn’t a nice clean cut line of protesters wearing protester badges and rioters wearing riot badges. The protests turned violent.
Even with the peaceful protesters who of course the vast majority aren’t violent there is still crowd control required and a lot of them will take the fuck you/provacation stance and therefore there are going to be instances of police-protester negative interactions and where there are such large crowds and elements where there are curfews and control required, yes, you will see people getting a smack of a baton and pushed.
You know all this but are playing the dumb/outraged/this is shocking/ I can’t believe it routine.
I get that. Which is why my argument is that the culture is flawed - if you consider this to be unacceptable behaviour then they are being set up to fail.
I’ve never looked to justify looting or rioting. I think it’s completely unacceptable.
Well if you think that pretty much the only way to curb it is with a curfew (bar water cannons) but above you said even placing a curfew was provocative?
You are trying to keep an open mind here fair play, but it’s really complicated and messy. You cant rely on twitter, or cnn, or fox. There are bad eggs in the police, like there are bad egg protestors. It’s utterly braindead to tar all with a brush. But bare in mind the police aren’t running twitter campaigns highlighting their agenda so it’s a one sided enough debate.
So, there is a grey area between peaceful protest and rioting and looting and that’s peaceful protest that is illegal. A lot of the overreaction by cops seen on social media is of this type. There have been many instances all over the country of protesters blocking highways, which is illegal for obvious reasons (you don’t have the right to infringe on other people’s rights). The police warn them that if they don’t fuck off they will get tear gassed or worse. At that point it’s on you if you decide to stay.
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Trump is some ham.
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I’m not naive and I’m no Sid type left wing loon. Before this thread I was prob considered an uncaring right winger by the TFK cognoscenti - my reputation has been ruined by this new unexpected bleeding heart stance.
A lot of the incidents I’ve seen have been police instigating the violence - not reacting to protests gone bad. They are the provocateurs. It is above and beyond what I’d give the benefit of the doubt for. That’s just my opinion
Anyway - gotta go guys, it’s been fun.
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George is up there in heaven smiling down on the unemployment numbers. It’s a great day for George
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There you go. Great idea this lockdown. Between what’s going on I the states and the covid thing, lads will have enough to keep them going g for the summer. Now with this, the forum members will get to hammer the shit out of each other for the rest of the year
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Take your last 2 picks and we finish it.