US Politics - A Society in Meltdown

Anti-trust laws are normal in all capitalist countries. Preventing monopolies is or should be one of the most important regulatory roles of government. As it happens the US government is now investigating Amazon and I don’t think anyone would argue the US is socialist.

Don’t those Tea Party nutjobs argue that the US is socialist and that everything FDR introduced was socialist?

Many of the key proponents of antitrust laws were from the Chicago school of economics i.e. conservatives

Frank Knight
Henry Calvert Simons

George Stigler and Milton Friedman saw the impact of these laws and were more wary of them, but not against the idea of breaking them up.

So what about them Russian sanctions eh?

The US alienating the Europeans now. They’ll take action to counteract them if they affect European companies.

Separately, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said the European Union also would consider retaliatory action if the US sanctions against Russia penalise European energy companies doing business there.
“If the US sanctions specifically disadvantage EU companies trading with Russia in the energy sector, the EU is prepared to take appropriate steps in response within days,” he said.
But Juncker said the new sanctions approved by the US Congress and signed into law by Trump appear to have been softened or dropped in response to EU concerns. He added that Congress “has now also committed that sanctions will only be applied after the country’s allies are consulted, and I do believe we are still allies of the US”:grinning:.

Interesting that neither Trump or anybody from his regime have criticised the Russians for expelling US diplomats and seizing their property.

This is very cuck-like behaviour.

I wonder why.

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These call transcripts are spectacular. He’s off his fucking head.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/australia-mexico-transcripts/?utm_term=.09b34e325f6b

TRUMP
How does that help you?

TURNBULL
Well, we assume that we will act in good faith.

TRUMP
Does anybody know who these people are? Who are they? Where do they come from? Are they going to become the Boston bomber in five years? Or two years? Who are these people?

TURNBULL
Let me explain. We know exactly who they are. They have been on Nauru or Manus for over three years and the only reason we cannot let them into Australia is because of our commitment to not allow people to come by boat. Otherwise we would have let them in. If they had arrived by airplane and with a tourist visa then they would be here.

TRUMP
Malcom [sic], but they are arrived on a boat?

TURNBULL
Correct, we have stopped the boats.

TRUMP
Give them to the United States. We are like a dumping ground for the rest of the world. I have been here for a period of time, I just want this to stop. I look so foolish doing this. It [sic] know it is good for you but it is bad for me. It is horrible for me. This is what I am trying to stop. I do not want to have more San Bernardino’s or World Trade Centers. I could name 30 others, but I do not have enough time.

TURNBULL
These guys are not in that league. They are economic refugees.

TRUMP
Okay, good. Can Australia give me a guarantee that if we have any problems – you know that is what they said about the Boston bombers. They said they were wonderful young men.

TURNBULL
They were Russians. They were not from any of these countries.

TRUMP
They were from wherever they were.

TURNBULL
Please, if we can agree to stick to the deal, you have complete discretion in terms of a security assessment. The numbers are not 2,000 but 1,250 to start. Basically, we are taking people from the previous administration that they were very keen on getting out of the United States. We will take more. We will take anyone that you want us to take. The only people that we do not take are people who come by boat. So we would rather take a not very attractive guy that help you out then to take a Noble [sic] Peace Prize winner that comes by boat. That is the point.

TRUMP
What is the thing with boats? Why do you discriminate against boats? No, I know, they come from certain regions. I get it.

TURNBULL
No, let me explain why. The problem with the boats it that you are basically outsourcing your immigration program to people smugglers and also you get thousands of people drowning at sea. So what we say is, we will decide which people get to come to Australia who are refugees, economic migrants, businessmen, whatever. We decide. That is our decision. We are a generous multicultural immigration nation like the United States but the government decides, the people’s representatives decides. So that is the point. I am a highly transactional businessman like you and I know the deal has to work for both sides. Now Obama thought this deal worked for him and he drove a hard bargain with us – that it was agreed with Obama more than a year ago in the Oval Office, long before the election. The principles of the deal were agreed to.

TRUMP
I do not know what he got out of it. We never get anything out of it – START Treaty, the Iran deal. I do not know where they find these people to make these stupid deals. I am going to get killed on this thing.

TURNBULL
You will not.

TRUMP
Yes, I will be seen as a weak and ineffective leader in my first week by these people. This is a killer.

TURNBULL
You can certainly say that it was not a deal that you would have done, but you are going to stick with it.

TRUMP
I have no choice to say that about it. Malcom [sic], I am going to say that I have no choice but to honor my predecessor’s deal. I think it is a horrible deal, a disgusting deal that I would have never made. It is an embarrassment to the United States of America and you can say it just the way I said it. I will say it just that way. As far as I am concerned that is enough Malcom [sic]. I have had it. I have been making these calls all day and this is the most unpleasant call all day. Putin was a pleasant call. This is ridiculous.

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Not a bean in his head the stupid cunt.

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Trump: what is it with boats? why do you discriminate against boats? He is a gas cunt😂

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He is not a very intelligent man.

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It’s beyond amusing.

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Ah lads it is funny. Australia discriminating against boats. :grinning:

Tick, tock.

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How long before someone spins this as fake news on here

Absolutely hilarious content hes a serious tulip

That’s class. Trump is completely lacking in political nuance but turnbull sounds a complete tit here as well we don’t want noble prize winners :sweat_smile:

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Shit’s about to get serious.It’ll be everyman for himself now.It’s never the crime that gets these cunts,it’s the cover up.

The Mexican lad comes across the best by some distance.

At least he had nothing against boats

I dunno. Sounds to me like Turnbull is trying to explain a win/win very clearly to a fucking numpty. We’ ll take your dregs if you sort out our boat people optics. It’s got to be scary as fuck when you’re talking to the most powerful fella in the world and he’s an idiot.

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Mueller gives up on the Russian collusion story and expands his investigation to Trump and his associates’ business dealings in Russia, including prior to his running for the Republican nomination. This has now morphed into Whitewater, so expect many years of investigation.