US Politics - A Society in Meltdown

History tells us that the best way to deal with dictators is to give them what they want.

I think.

Kim has given Trump everything he wants, which amounted to a photo op.

He’s a smart cookie

This article by a Jewish writer hits the nail firmly on the head.

The irony is that those who are seeking to demonise Ilhan Omar, including one simpleton on this forum (guess who) are pushing an actual anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi “talking point”.

And the exact same thing is happening in Britain.

Oh, the fucking irony of it all.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/05/dishonest-smearing-ilhan-omar/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.51e8d29d1cdd

The dishonest smearing of Ilhan Omar

By Paul Waldman

Opinion writer

March 5 at 2:03 PM

In what is surely the most shameful decision of her current term as speaker, Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has decided that the time has come for the House to rebuke Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) for things she didn’t actually say, and ideas she didn’t actually express. In the process, Pelosi and other Democrats are helping propagate a series of misconceptions about anti-Semitism, Israel, and U.S. political debate.

I’m going to try to bring some clarity to this issue, understanding how difficult it can be whenever we discuss anything that touches on Israel.

To be clear, I do this as someone who was raised in an intensely Zionist family with a long history of devotion and sacrifice for Israel, but who also — like many American Jews — has become increasingly dismayed not only by developments in Israel but by how we talk about it here in the United States.

In the latest round of controversy, Omar said during a town hall, regarding U.S. policy toward Israel, “I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country.” This comment was roundly condemnedby members of Congress and many others for being anti-Semitic. Rep. Eliot L. Engel (D-N.Y.) called her statement “a vile anti-Semitic slur” and accused her of questioning "the loyalty of fellow American citizens.”

Pelosi then announced that the House would vote on a resolutionwhich, while not mentioning Omar by name, is clearly meant as a condemnation of her. It contains multiple “whereas” statements about the danger of accusing Jews of “dual loyalty.”

So let’s talk about this idea of “dual loyalty,” and how it does and doesn’t relate to Omar’s comments. For many years, Jews were routinely accused of having dual loyalty, to both the United States and Israel, as a way of questioning whether they were truly American and could be trusted to do things such as serve in sensitive national security positions.

That charge was anti-Semitic, because it was used to allege that every Jew was suspect, no matter what they thought about Israel, and that they could not be fully American because they were assumed to have too much affection for another country. It wasn’t about the particulars of U.S. policy or what Jews at the time were advocating; it was about who they (allegedly) were, their identity.

Now, back to Omar. Here’s the truth: The whole purpose of the Democrats’ resolution is to enforce dual loyalty not among Jews, but among members of Congress , to make sure that criticism of Israel is punished in the most visible way possible. This, of course, includes Omar. As it happens, this punishment of criticism of Israel is exactly what the freshman congresswoman was complaining about, and has on multiple occasions. The fact that no one seems to acknowledge that this is her complaint shows how spectacularly disingenuous Omar’s critics are being.

You may have noticed that almost no one uses “dual loyalty” as a way of questioning whether Jews are loyal to the United States anymore. Why has it almost disappeared as an anti-Semitic slur? Because, over the last three decades, support for Israel has become increasingly associated with conservative evangelicals and the Republican Party.

Not coincidentally, this happened at the same time as the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, the most prominent and influential pro-Israel lobby, went from supporting Israel generally to being the lobby in the United States for the Likud, Israel’s main right-wing party. While AIPAC works hard to keep Democrats in line, its greatest allies are in the GOP, where support for Israel and a rejection of any meaningful rights for Palestinians have become a central component of party ideology. When the most prominent advocates for Israel are people such as Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin, “dual loyalty” loses any meaning as a slur against Jews.

The idea that taking issue with support of Israel means one is necessarily criticizing Jews as Jews ignores the last few decades of political developments around the United States’ relationship with Israel. “Supporters of Israel” hasn’t been a synonym for “Jews” since the 1980s. I have to repeat this: In the United States today, a “supporter of Israel” is much more likely to be an evangelical Christian Republican than a Jew.

Ilhan Omar certainly didn’t say that Jews have dual loyalty. For instance, in one of the tweets that got people so worked up, Omar said, “I should not be expected to have allegiance/pledge support to a foreign country in order to serve my country in Congress or serve on committee.” You’ll notice she didn’t say or even imply anything at all about Jews. She said that she was being asked to support Israel in order to have the privilege of serving on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, which was true. Many on the right have called for her to be removed from that committee (see here, or here, or here, or here). Her argument, to repeat, isn’t about how Jews feel about Israel, it’s about what is being demanded of her .

And here’s the ultimate irony: Dual loyalty is precisely what AIPAC demands, and what it gets . Again, it makes this demand not of Jews, but of every member of Congress, and even of politicians at the state level whom you wouldn’t think would be conducting foreign policy. And it is working.

Take, for instance, the wave of state laws passed in recent years in opposition to the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement, in which a state would refuse to do business with anyone who supports BDS. In some cases, those laws require that contractors sign a document promising not to support any boycott of Israel. It’s illustrated by the case of a speech pathologist in Texas who sued over a requirement that she sign such a pledge to work in a public school district. That is literally a demand that she pledge her loyalty to Israel. She’s not Jewish, and the officials who demanded that she do so aren’t either; the Texas Republican Party is not exactly an organization dominated by Jews. When Gov. Greg Abbott ® — also not a Jew — proclaims that “Anti-Israel policies are anti-Texas policies,” he’s expressing his dual loyalty.

Yet, when Omar says she shouldn’t have to do the same, everyone jumps up to accuse her of anti-Semitism, on the bogus grounds that 1) //she is secretly referring to Jews and not to what she is being asked to do; and 2) it’s some kind of anti-Semitic smear to even raise the issue of people being asked to promise their allegiance to Israel, when the truth is that members of Congress are asked to do just that.

When this episode is over, Omar and everyone else will have learned a lesson. You’d better not step out of line on Israel. You’d better not question AIPAC. You’d better not criticize members of Congress for the craven way they deal with this issue. You’d better not talk about how policy toward Israel is made and maintained. Because if you do, this is what you’re going to get.

The Washington Examiner is not a far right news source you clown. It is a conservative outlet.

In the black and white anti-free speech world you inhabit, only liberal and preferably leftist news outlets who support your views are credible. You are too dumb to even comprehend that the likes of CNN and MSNBC won’t report on a story that may be harmful to Democrats, unless they absolutely have to.

So there should no criticism of Democratic politicians or their policies? Sounds Stalinist.

The Green New Deal as proposed by AOC is an absolutely unworkable jokeshop and will cost the Democrats the election in 2020 if their candidate endorses it.

Says the guy who graduated in his mid thirties.

graduated from what?

From childhood?

… When do you plan on graduating yourself?

Never. Education is a lifelong endevour for some.

The Stalinists are out in force today.

Here’s a good example of how credible the mainstream media are. CNN have been denying for months there is a crisis on the southern border. Data released yesterday reported that 76,000 were apprehended on the southern border in February, the highest number since 2007. CNN last night devoted almost all their prime time coverage to the crisis on the southern border.

Would you come away home to us ffs. You’ve gone stone mad over there.

Ireland is too small for my talents pal.

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That’s why we need you … the small minded mentality here needs to be eradicated.

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A front page expose of a politician getting into a car isn’t criticism, it’s obsession.

You seem rather obsessed with her.

The New York Post is a rag. There is plenty rational opposition to her plan, including within her own party.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/05/mike-bloomberg-says-green-new-deal-stands-no-chance.html

Yes I follow her on twitter. She seems like a smart cookie.

Sounds like a final solution

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