US Presidential Election 2016: Sidney's Victory Lap

It isnā€™t a question of anyone thinking Trump ā€œwillā€ win fitzy, itā€™s whether Trump ā€œcanā€ win. The reality is anyone thinking Trump canā€™t win is misguided or possibly deluded, as they are applying ā€œnormalā€ rationality and history to this very unique election. You may as well throw away all the blue state/red state maps as this will be an election like no other. Trump is appealing primarily to blue collar workers, a traditional Democratic stronghold, but one they have lost touch with.

As you say, both candidates are very unpopular, so how many Democrats will hold their noses while voting compared to Republicans, how many independents will vote for one of the other two candidates etc. For example I have seen polls with Jill Stein and Gary Johnson as high as 15% combined. Johnson will attract dissatisfied Republican and Democratic voters, and Independents, Stein will get a lot of the hard line Bernie supporters.

According to the most recent Rasmussen poll, 76% of Americans believe the country is headed in the wrong direction. 76 fucking percent. What we know is that a Hillary presidency will be 4 or 8 more years of the same. Do you think the 76% are pleased about the prospect of more of the same for themselves and their children? Now they may have grave reservations about Trump, but the urge for change is the great unknown that could lead to a paradigm shift. There are two factors in elections, fundamentals and sentiment. Fundamentals are easy to measure and predict, history of how states have voted, demographics, voter views on the issues, etc. Elections generally follow the fundamentals. Sentiment though is the wild card, the black swan thatā€™s impossible to predict. How many predicted a Brexit outcome, even after all the pressure applied by the establishment parties?

What you have to remember is Hillary (a weak candidate) is not running against a traditional Republican opponent. Trump has exposed the traditional Republican candidate as a loser, the establishment hated him for it and tried everything to defeat him, but failed. Anyone thinking he canā€™t do the same to Hillary and her campaign is likely to have a surprise during the debates and in November.

@Fitzy - a week ago just after Candidate Trump delivers his powerful speech.

@Fitzy - a week on as Crooked Hillary delivers her speech.

Please make it stop.

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Irony and humour were never your strong points Geoffrey were they?

Four more months of it mate, then the legals beginā€¦

Incredible process really. I just want to cut to Wolf Blitzer and the results map right now.

And the money, the money they spendā€¦

Itā€™s shaping up to be an incredible 3 and a bit months. Iā€™m getting a similar feeling to the one I had at the start of February 2011 about Leinster Rugbyā€™s upcoming playoff clashes vs the Titans of Europe. Iā€™ve no doubt weā€™ll enjoy a similar finish to a similarly magical period. Roll on the debates. :grinning:

Ah Sydney, now I know youā€™re wumming, using that bar chart as ā€œfactā€
Itā€™s the sort of shite the indo lifestyle section would come up with.

The Irish media are very balanced on this !!! . No great time for Trump but the seethe in Irish media circles if he wins wiill put the reaction to Brexit in the Haā€™Penny place.

Stupidity and a state of denial are amongst your strongest points.

Hang on a second tim. Do you actually genuinely want to see Trump as president? Starting to think this isnā€™t a practical joke?

Iā€™ve said it before but the Irish media take all of their American sources from liberal ones - NBC, ABC, CBS, New York Times ect. Couple that with media bureaus from the UK & Ireland in the US rarely leave the East Coast liberal bubble and you have a serious amount of bias. I still recall the seethe and consternation in 04 when W got his second term over here :joy:

Hilary Cunton and Donald Cunt.

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What about the in her day thread?

Far better to rely on alt-right Twitter accounts, Alex Jones and Breitbart.

Truthiness beats facts every timeā€¦

Nobody has been able to dispute its findings.

The Pew Research Center has an excellent reputation and is pretty much universally considered to be a reputable, reliable source of information.

It is non-partisan and doesnā€™t take policy positions.

The problem the likes of @anon7035031 have with it is that it establishes facts, and real, actual facts generally have a liberal bias.

Lads on here still trying to justify and rewrite hillarys history.

Ironic :wink:

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I do enjoy this thread.

Your problem is that your opinion doesnā€™t count.