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We have the US, UK, Germany and France on one side, Russia, China and Turkey on the other.

The Irish human rights warriors will back Russia and China though :joy:

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Pol Pot was supported by the US and Margaret Thatcher.

Kim Jong Un is now supported by @anon7035031’s hero Donald Trump, who also supports the brutal Saudi regime and the disgraceful imperialist war by the Saudis in Yemen, as well the fascists Bolsonaro and Duterte.

The US supported the genocidal nutcases Saddam Hussein and Indonesia’s Suharto, as well as the Shah in Iran, and numerous fascist scumbag regimes in Latin America, such as those in Chile, Bolivia, Argentina, Brazil, Cuba, Nicaragua, El Salvador and Guatemala, supported the coup in Venezuela in 2002, and invaded Grenada in 1983. They supported Ceaucescu in Romania.

They also supported the Islamist nutcases of the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan, including Osama Bin Laden, and their propping up of Wahabbism since World War II directly led to the rise of Islamist terrorism.

And so much more that I haven’t even mentioned. 3 billion dollars to Israel a year to sustain the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.

Of course @anon7035031 thinks all of that is just fine. You wouldn’t expect anything else from somebody who tries to justify sectarian massacres like Kingsmills, equivocates about actual Nazis, and defends the use of the atomic bomb, would you?

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You’re really not well in the head are you?

I disagree with many if not most US foreign interventions in the past decades, except in instances that serve the greater good. In the black and white world you live in, where capitalism = evil, socialism = good, it is literally impossible for you to see shades of grey in anything.

Please don’t lie about my positions, you utter shameless wanker. I have clearly stated that the NI conflict was unjustified after the early 70s, atrocities like Kingsmills were completely unjustified. I condemn all actual Nazis rather than the ones you imagine in your head. The use of the atomic bomb was arguably justified, as it ended a war which would have taken the lives of millions more. Nothing else, other than indiscriminate bombing of all Japanese cities with millions dead, would have likely forced a surrender.

The US has mainly been on the right side of history, winning the war against the Nazis in Europe (admittedly with the help of Russia), defeating the Japanese who were just as evil as the Nazis, stopping the spread of communism, and ensuring oil kept flowing from the Middle East, which Europe in particular depends on.

You can’t admit any of that of course, as the US has prevented the communist utopia you crave.

I haven’t lied about anything.

You did attempt to justify the sectarian slaughter of Kingsmills, you do equivocate about actual Nazis, and do justify the atomic bombs.

And you have expressed support for fascist regimes such as Batista in Cuba, and Bolsonaro in Brazil.

Then you fire around a load of lies about anybody who disagrees with you, not just myself, you do it with everybody.

All the same gaslighting techniques that are there with your far right heroes in the US media and politics, are there with you.

And anybody with a brain can see through them.

At least try to be honest, and own your insane far right bigotry.

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Please find the post where I justified Kingsmills, otherwise please fuck off and stop embarrassing yourself and continuously outing yourself as a fruitcake.

Only people who are trying to justify sectarian slaughter call it “the lesser of two evils” (fuck knows what the “greater evil” you refer to was), “bringing Protestant paramilitaries to their senses”, use the word “but” as an equivocation and downgrade its evil and sectarian nature because they want to blame “socialism”.

You clearly know nothing about the specifics of the NI conflict, which is unsurprising given you are an Anglophile.

Anyone with a rational mind (not you) can read and understand what I said on the subject of Kingsmills. The Glenanne gang were systematically killing Catholics since April 1975, Kingsmills was clearly a retaliation massacre, in particular as six Catholics had been murdered the day before. What’s interesting of course is your beloved British government only responded after Kingsmills, declaring south Armagh a “special Emergency Area”. In other words as long as it was Catholics that were being killed, they didn’t care.

You were the one who claimed Republicans were calling for an “extermination” of all Protestants, and when you were called on it, ran away essentially admitted it was bullshit. Who are the Republicans who called for the extermination of all Protestants? Where is the evidence that the IRA ever had a policy to exterminate all Protestants?

Also, take this to the It’s warm up north thread, rather than hiding here in fear of another Internet beating.

The Foreign Minister and Maduro have rejected the EU’s call.

Order order, keep order here i say.

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Great observations there. America has turned stable countries all over the world into cesspits of extremism.

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“Stable” :joy:

The only kind of stable government you favor is a Catholic theocracy mate.

Don’t be ridiculous you idiot. As much as I disagree with Sidney on many things, he has handed you your ass on a plate this evening. Your defense of all things Donald makes you a fucking clown of epic proportions.

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I don’t defend “all things Trump” only simpletons who see in black and white say that. Like any normal person I can agree with some of his policies, and disagree with others. I disagree with how he has handled the “wall” issue for example.

You’re no one to criticize Trump, or anyone for that matter. You are far more reactionary than Trump or his supporters, your comments on Irish travellers are disgusting racism, and if your ilk had their way the Catholic church would establish the law in Ireland.

Maduro has a grand head of hair.

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Hon Maduro. Stick it to those capitalist pigs.

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I have several times said that I would be happy for travelers to live next door as long as they are happy to abide to the same societal norms as everyone else. I have also argued that they are not a separate race, culturally different perhaps, but not a separate race at all.

I’m at a loss as to how you think I would be happy for the Catholic Church to get back in charge of anything.

I wish this Venezuela place would crash already. It’s been on.the verge for far too long.

I know my history about the North, have travelled all over it many times, to Catholic and Protestant areas (I’d been in every county in Ireland by the time I was eight years old), know people from every county, Catholic and Protestant, and I’ve actually met a survivor of one of the Glennane gang’s massacres, which I’d say is a damn sight more than you’ve ever done, stuck in your hovel eating up far right propaganda in the US for the last 35 years.

Your naked anti-English bigotry is never far from the surface, and yet again it is here.

Your problem is you think you can cow people down with the sheer weight of robo-conservative bullshit you’re willing to spew on this forum, but it doesn’t work with somebody who both knows more than you do and is willing to give it back.

I know exactly what you were trying to say and did say - and I know from four years of your never ending bullshit on this forum exactly what your real views are. They’re there above in black and white, and they’re fucking vile.

You haven’t a clue what I claimed, because your comprehension skills are so rudimentary, so you’ve just gone and made things up, as you always do.

The IRA didn’t have a policy to exterminate all Protestants, you idiot, and I never claimed they did.

The people who actually have genuine fantasies of that sort of genuine Nazi-esque holocaust are you and @glenshane, as I skilfully demonstrated the other night.

Oh, and for somebody who has consistently supported the use of the atomic bomb and whose only response to my listing of the despicable conduct of the US abroad since World War II were the weasel (and untrue) words that “they were on the right side of history”, your denials of the real sort of campaign you desired or were at least quite open to happening in the North ring incredibly hollow.

Take off your MAGA hat, take the stupid look off your face, and step away from the mirror.

It depends how you define race. I have been lectured on here by people who say ethnicity and race are now regarded as the same thing. It’s certainly not true in the US, where all those of white European background are classified as white, regardless of whether they are descended from Scandinavians, Mediterranean, Irish, etc. As Irish travellers are definitely white European, they would be classed as white here.

I would actually agree that Irish travellers are not a separate race, but they are a distinct ethnic group in that they have common ancestry for centuries, and they have their own customs, language, etc. Why should they abide by societal norms, as long as they are not breaking the law? That’s like saying black people in the US should abide by US societal norms, whatever they are.

You’re on record as saying abortion is murder. The Catholic church is one of the only religions that believes that life should be protected from conception, there isn’t a legal system in the world that treats abortion as murder, let alone just after conception.

Still hiding out here, you cowardly cunt.