Tipp could well win a Munster next year
No. Cork made an All Ireland qf last year by virtue of beating Tipp and Sligo. A similar path lies in store this year. Donegal, Derry, Down, Tyrone and Armagh have a nightmare draw. 3 of them will go in the first round qualifier draw where they run the risk of drawing each other and out of the Championship in June.
This isn’t the hurling thread, pal.
They’ve made huge strides the past few years and are firmly established as a Top 12 side. Big ask still though to beat two of the top sides in Cork and Kerry.
If Tipp were operating in a weaker championship like Ulster where you have so many downright bad teams all more or less operating at the same mediocre level, they’d have a much better chance of picking up a provincial title.
It’s a draw Bomber.
For Leitrim to win Connacht, we’ll have to beat Galway, Mayo and Roscommon. A big ask but nobody will complain because that’s the way the balls came out. We’ll just dust ourselves down, live off the spirit of 94, give it our best shot and see what happens.
What do you want - all 9 Ulster teams to be parachuted straight into the last 12 ?
[QUOTE=“thedancingbaby, post: 1029075, member: 48”]It’s a draw Bomber.
For Leitrim to win Connacht, we’ll have to beat Galway, Mayo and Roscommon. A big ask but nobody will complain because that’s the way the balls came out. We’ll just dust ourselves down, live off the spirit of 94, give it our best shot and see what happens.
What do you want - all 9 Ulster teams to be parachuted straight into the last 12 ?[/QUOTE]
Different kettle of fish - Galway and Roscommon have done nothing of note at senior level in years.
It’s the second year running it’s happened. The provincial system is lopsided, Ulster teams have drawn the short straw and the qualifier system offers no sense of redress for it. All I’d prefer is that Ulster teams were kept apart in the qualifiers for as long as possible. We actually have a system in place now which reinforces the original draw.
I don’t want all 9 teams parachuted into the last 12 but I’d like to be operating in the same parameters as counties from other provinces once we enter the qualifiers. You now have a situation whereby the 2014 runners-up meet the 2013 semi-finalists in the first round of the Ulster Championship, one (possibly two of them) are going into the first round of the qualifier draw and in that first round there is a strong chance they could draw Down or Derry or Armagh which would represent all those teams.
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You now have a situation whereby the 2014 runners-up meet the 2013 semi-finalists in the first round of the Ulster Championship, one (possibly two of them) are going into the first round of the qualifier draw and in that first round there is a strong chance they could draw Down or Derry or Armagh which would represent all those teams.[/QUOTE]
That was the luck of the draw Bomber.
Why not seed the Ulster draw so all 4 semi finalists from the previous year get a bye into the quarter finals ?
[QUOTE=“thedancingbaby, post: 1029078, member: 48”]That was the luck of the draw Bomber.
Why not seed the Ulster draw so all 4 semi finalists from the previous year get a bye into the quarter finals ?[/QUOTE]
Because last year we had a similar scenario, Down, Tyrone and Derry were gone before the semis due to the way the draw panned out. The Ulster draw is lopsided but that’s not the problem, the problem is we now have a qualifier system that reinforces an unfair draw for the rest of the Championship.
You now have a case where a minimum of three of Down/Derry/Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone/Galway/Mayo won’t see past August. Meanwhile on the other side of the draw you have a situation where a team.
Cork could get to an All Ireland qf by beating Limerick or Clare and the likes of Laois. To get to the same stage, Donegal would have to beat Tyrone, Armagh, Down or Derry and Monaghan. It would solve a lot of problems if they separated teams by province in the qualifiers.
Enjoy Ulster Bomber. I’d love the Dubs to be pitted against those teams in June & July.
Imagine how fucking boring it is to have to go to Croke Park for every game to play shit teams and have to wait til the end of August to play a decent team only to lose.
I can’t see the Leinster council sending us to Longford or Tullamore for a quarter final next year…
[QUOTE=“Ebeneezer Goode, post: 1029081, member: 1785”]Enjoy Ulster Bomber. I’d love the Dubs to be pitted against those teams in June & July.
Imagine how fucking boring it is to have to go to Croke Park for every game to play shit teams and have to wait til the end of August to play a decent team only to lose.
I can’t see the Leinster council sending us to Longford or Tullamore for a quarter final next year…[/QUOTE]
Its a pity because its a no brainer, Dublin will batter either of the teams easily and it’d be a great day out for all concerned. I think if Mick Reynolds gets his way he’ll do it, but I dont see it being allowed by the money men.
You’re talking utter nonsense as usual. In the 31 games qualifiers/All Ireland series games in 2014, there was a grand total of 2 all Ulster meetings - Armagh v Tyrone and Donegal v Armagh. Leinster (which has 11 counties competing in its championship, as opposed to the 9 in Ulster) also threw up two All Leinster meetings in the qualifiers - Laois v Wexford and Wicklow v Offaly.
At least the All Ulster knock out clashes mercifully allowed Tyrone and Armagh to exit the championship with some level of dignity intact - Armagh losing by 1 point to Donegal and Tyrone lost by 3 points to Armagh.
The Ulster counties that had to face non-Ulster opposition, invariably bowed out of the Championship in humiliating circumstances.
Derry were knocked out of the championship at home in Derry by Longford - the same Longford who knocked out Derry in 2012 and the same Longford who will be competing in Division 4 of the National League for the upcoming season.
Down were knocked out of the championship at home in Newry by Kildare - Hammered to the tune of 10 points.
Cavan were knocked out of the championship at home in Breffni Park by Roscommon - Hammered to the tune of 11 points.
Antrim were knocked out of the championship by Limerick (who narrowly missed out on relegation to Division 4 of the league)
Fermanagh were knocked out of the championship by Laois.
Monaghan were knocked out of the championship by Dublin - hammered by 17 points.
Then of course there was Donegal who exited the championship losing the All Ireland Final to Kerry.
The standard in Ulster outside of Donegal is utter sh*te.
[QUOTE=“Manuel Zelaya, post: 1029094, member: 377”]You’re talking utter nonsense as usual. In the 31 games qualifiers/All Ireland series games in 2014, there was a grand total of 2 all Ulster meetings - Armagh v Tyrone and Donegal v Armagh. Leinster (which has 11 counties competing in its championship, as opposed to the 9 in Ulster) also threw up two All Leinster meetings in the qualifiers - Laois v Wexford and Wicklow v Offaly.
At least the All Ulster knock out clashes mercifully allowed Tyrone and Armagh to exit the championship with some level of dignity intact - Armagh losing by 1 point to Donegal and Tyrone lost by 3 points to Armagh.
The Ulster counties that had to face non-Ulster opposition, invariably bowed out of the Championship in humiliating circumstances.
Derry were knocked out of the championship at home in Derry by Longford - the same Longford who knocked out Derry in 2012 and the same Longford who will be competing in Division 4 of the National League for the upcoming season.
Down were knocked out of the championship at home in Newry by Kildare - Hammered to the tune of 10 points.
Cavan were knocked out of the championship at home in Breffni Park by Roscommon - Hammered to the tune of 11 points.
Antrim were knocked out of the championship by Limerick (who narrowly missed out on relegation to Division 4 of the league)
Fermanagh were knocked out of the championship by Laois.
Monaghan were knocked out of the championship by Dublin - hammered by 17 points.
Then of course there was Donegal who exited the championship losing the All Ireland Final to Kerry.
The standard in Ulster outside of Donegal is utter sh*te.[/QUOTE]
I should also add, Tyrone v Armagh didn’t meet until Round 3 of the Qualifiers, so the first 16 games in Round 1 & 2 didn’t throw up even 1 All Ulster qualifier meeting. The Donegal v Armagh meeting was at the quarter final stage in the All Ireland series. So in the 24 qualifier games in Round 1, 2, 3 & 4 - there was 1 all Ulster meeting.
I see you’ve given me a dumb rating. That’s your usual cowardly way of ducking out of one of your bullsh*t arguments that I’ve utterly demolished.
This is not the kind of uncouth, intemperate language you expect from Manuel Zelaya.
[QUOTE=“Ebeneezer Goode, post: 1029081, member: 1785”].
Imagine how fucking boring it is to have to go to Croke Park for every game to play shit teams and have to wait til the end of August to play a decent team only to lose.
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can only imagine pal…
Manuel will be done for cyber bullying the amount of hidings he’s given the riddler Bomber lately…
[QUOTE=“Ebeneezer Goode, post: 1029081, member: 1785”]
I can’t see the Leinster council sending us to Longford or Tullamore for a quarter final next year…[/QUOTE]
This is another utter fiction, Dublin are all but unbeatable outside of Croke Park. You’d have a better chance of beating Dublin in Croke Park than you would when Dublin go on the road.
Since the emergence of Dublin as a powerhouse under Kevin Heffernan in 1974, by my reckoning Dublin have only lost twice in the Championship outside of Croke Park (in what would probably be over 30 games) - to Laois in the Leinster semi final in Tullamore in 1981 and to Kerry in the All Ireland quarter final replay in 2001 in Thurles.
It was a tradition for years, that Dublin opened their Championship campaign on the June bank holiday weekend with an away quarter final. Unless they were playing Meath or Kildare (with their big populations), Dublin in a Leinster semi final was often played at provincial venues as well. I can clearly recall in the All Ireland winning year of 1995, Dublin beat both Louth and Laois in Navan.
It was when the renovated Croke Park was taking shape around 1999 that all Dublin games were more or less fixed for Croke Park. There hasn’t been too many foray’s outside of Croke Park since the turn of the century, but those that there have been (bar the replay loss to Kerry in 2001 in Thurles) have resulted in the usual outcome when Dublin go on the road - a Dublin win. They beat Wexford in Dr Cullen Park in Carlow in 2002, beat Derry easily enough in a qualifier in Clones in 2003 and beat Longford in Pearse Park in 2007.
[QUOTE=“Manuel Zelaya, post: 1029104, member: 377”]This is another utter fiction, Dublin are all but unbeatable outside of Croke Park. You’d have a better chance of beating Dublin in Croke Park than you would when Dublin go on the road.
Since the emergence of Dublin as a powerhouse under Kevin Heffernan in 1974, by my reckoning Dublin have only lost twice in the Championship outside of Croke Park (in what would probably be over 30 games) - to Laois in the Leinster semi final in Tullamore in 1981 and to Kerry in the All Ireland quarter final replay in 2001 in Thurles.
It was a tradition for years, that Dublin opened their Championship campaign on the June bank holiday weekend with an away quarter final. Unless they were playing Meath or Kildare (with their big populations), Dublin in a Leinster semi final was often played at provincial venues as well. I can clearly recall in the All Ireland winning year of 1995, Dublin beat both Louth and Laois in Navan.
It was when the renovated Croke Park was taking shape around 1999 that all Dublin games were more or less fixed for Croke Park. There hasn’t been too many foray’s outside of Croke Park since the turn of the century, but those that there have been (bar the replay loss to Kerry in 2001 in Thurles) have resulted in the usual outcome when Dublin go on the road - a Dublin win. They beat Wexford in Dr Cullen Park in Carlow in 2002, beat Derry easily enough in a qualifier in Clones in 2003 and beat Longford in Pearse Park in 2007.[/QUOTE]
you talk far too much sense to be hanging around this place… we also went to the lions den and beat Leitrim in carrick in 2007 I think too…
what will the muldoons cling on to once the facts show dubs are just as good on the road??..talk about dividing Dublin in two because we won 2 all irleands in 3 years and none for 16 years previous??..its unbelievable how stupid people are when it comes to the Dubs…
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[QUOTE=“Ebeneezer Goode, post: 1029081, member: 1785”]I’d love the Dubs to be pitted against those teams in June & July.
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Dublin will play 4 Ulster teams in February & March and you won’t bother your hole going to see any of them so spare me the faux desire to see competitive games in June and July
[QUOTE=“scumpot, post: 1029112, member: 182”]you talk far too much sense to be hanging around this place… we also went to the lions den and beat Leitrim in carrick in 2007 I think too…
what will the muldoons cling on to once the facts show dubs are just as good on the road??..talk about dividing Dublin in two because we won 2 all irleands in 3 years and none for 16 years previous??..its unbelievable how stupid people are when it comes to the Dubs…
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Its actually 3 All Ireland’s out of the last 31. If you back to 1923, its 10 All Ireland’s for Dublin in 91 years so when you factor in purple patches of 3 between 1974-77 and two between 2011-13, Dublin are essentially once a decade All Ireland winners.
By my reckoning Dublin have lost 36 championship games at Croke Park in that timeframe stretching back to 1974 to thirteen different counties - Meath, Kildare, Offaly, Laois, Westmeath, Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Donegal, Derry, Down, Armagh & Tyrone (with 9 of those beating Dublin on at least two occasions). Outside of Croke Park as I’ve said, I’d estimate Dublin have played in or around 30 games, losing just 2 and drawing one, which is around a 90% winning ratio. They wouldn’t be even remotely close to a 90% winning ratio in Croke Park. They’d need to have won 360 championship matches in Croke Park since 1974 to have a 90% winning record. This myth about the advantage Dublin have playing in Croke Park and it not been fair that Dublin are never exposed to the risks and hazards of playing outside of Croke Park are just utterly baffling.