i never heard that mantra before
Its also worth noting that James Kielt played the full 70 minutes against Longford scoring 4 points - 3 from play.
So did I!
He had 80 minutes of intercounty football in 2014.
Derry are renowned league mullockers, this has been well established on this board.
I watched the game standing up. I prefer to watch games standing. @croppy is lucky I didn’t claim, my shin hasn’t been the same since hence I’ve been unable to take part in the selfish giants weekly 5 a side.
Yeah, Derry are supposedly genuine contenders every year for All Ireland honours and having them in your half of the draw is supposedly a banana skin. The reality is rather different. Only Fermanagh (who’ve never won it) are below Derry on the roll of honour of Ulster Championships won. Derry haven’t won Ulster since 1998 and have only made one final since 2000, in 2011. Over the last 10 years, their championship record reads:
2005 - Eliminated by Laois - Round 4 Qualifiers
2006 - Eliminated by Longford - Round 3 Qualifiers
2007 - Eliminated by Dublin - Quarter Final
2008- Eliminated by Monaghan - Round 1 Qualifiers
2009 - Eliminated by Donegal - Round 3 Qualifiers
2010 - Eliminated by Kildare - Round 3 Qualifiers
2011 - Eliminated by Kildare - Round 4 Qualifiers
2012 - Eliminated by Longford - Round 1 Qualifiers
2013 - Eliminated by Cavan - Round 3 Qualifiers
2014 - Eliminated by Longford - Round 1 Qualifiers
As you’ve said when it comes to mullocking in the mud in the league, Derry are the kingpins. Over the last 25 years, they’ve won it more often than anybody else, 5 titles and 3 final defeats as well.
Oisin nails it.
Oisin McConville points out that Ulster counties are disadvantaged when it comes to trying to progress to the latter stages of the championship.
With Ulster big guns Donegal and Tyrone due to meet in the preliminary round of next summer’s Ulster SFC and the winners set to face Armagh in a quarter-final, the challenge is much more daunting than that facing their rivals in Connacht or Munster.
“Obviously there is an imbalance in the All-Ireland championship when you look at the match-ups in the various provinces and the way in which some teams are spared involvement in the earlier stages of the respective competitions,” McConville notes in The Belfast Telegraph.
"The GAA is being encouraged to have a look at the overall picture but I don’t think that the provincial Councils will want to give up their autonomy.
"The provincial championships certainly have appeal but when you consider the very straightforward route which some teams in the country are offered it just doesn’t seem fair.
“The Ulster championship still retains its allure but you can certainly take it from me that any team that wins it utterly deserves it.”
[QUOTE=“Il Bomber Destro, post: 1030645, member: 2533”]Oisin nails it.
Oisin McConville points out that Ulster counties are disadvantaged when it comes to trying to progress to the latter stages of the championship.
With Ulster big guns Donegal and Tyrone due to meet in the preliminary round of next summer’s Ulster SFC and the winners set to face Armagh in a quarter-final, the challenge is much more daunting than that facing their rivals in Connacht or Munster.
“Obviously there is an imbalance in the All-Ireland championship when you look at the match-ups in the various provinces and the way in which some teams are spared involvement in the earlier stages of the respective competitions,” McConville notes in The Belfast Telegraph.
"The GAA is being encouraged to have a look at the overall picture but I don’t think that the provincial Councils will want to give up their autonomy.
"The provincial championships certainly have appeal but when you consider the very straightforward route which some teams in the country are offered it just doesn’t seem fair.
“The Ulster championship still retains its allure but you can certainly take it from me that any team that wins it utterly deserves it.”[/QUOTE]
the gga really needs to shake things up, Cork & Kerry get a bye into the Qtr final so really have to play fuck all games of note a year
I think the provincial system is antiquated and imbalanced but @thedancingbaby made a rare good point in that the Ulster Council have it in their own grasp to make the path to ultimate All Ireland honours easier for their representatives. Like Leinster, they could introduce a system where prior year semi-finalists get a bye to the quarter finals. As a result, they’d avoid a situation whereby Donegal as defending champions have to negotiate a preliminary round. Or where the best teams from the previous year could conceivably all be stacked in one side of the draw. They want to have an open draw so let them get on with it.
Ulster cunts whining,nothing new here.
The preliminary round only reduces one game. Teams knocked out at preliminary stage go into the same qualifier round as the the beaten quarter finalists.
Yeah, but Donegal, Monaghan, Armagh and whoever else reached the semi-finals last year (Antrim?) would receive byes into the quarter finals and thus avoid that round. There would also be two of them in each half so a pairing from these four sides couldn’t meet again until the semi-finals. It would lead to a more balanced draw is my point. Donegal would not be in a preliminary round. And they would not be facing Armagh in a quarter final should they get through that. But the Ulster Council wants to preserve the open draw and they see all teams as equal, as is their prerogative. A by-product of that is the risk that a draw like last week will arise whereby defending champions Donegal will likely have to win four games against Tyrone, Armagh, Down and Monaghan to retain their title.
as always its Ulster holding Ulster back… .
Still leaves a good chance of 2 of Tyrone/Derry/Down meeting in a preliminary game and facing Armagh/Monaghan/Donegal in the quarter.
I don’t agree with seeding in any case, the Provincial systems give rise to unfairness given the variant difficulties in progressing through each one. The qualifiers should aim to redress these imbalances but they don’t.
Ulster is a tough nut to crack, I think that there should be a way in which counties from the same province can’t clash until a late stage.
Yeah, I accept that. Just making the point that seeding based on previous performance would be one fair(ish) way of ensuring a more balanced draw.
In your example, those three potential preliminary round teams couldn’t have any qualms about being in that round based on losing before the semi-finals last year.
[QUOTE=“Il Bomber Destro, post: 1030712, member: 2533”]Still leaves a good chance of 2 of Tyrone/Derry/Down meeting in a preliminary game and facing Armagh/Monaghan/Donegal in the quarter.
I don’t agree with seeding in any case, the Provincial systems give rise to unfairness given the variant difficulties in progressing through each one. The qualifiers should aim to redress these imbalances but they don’t.
Ulster is a tough nut to crack, I think that there should be a way in which counties from the same province can’t clash until a late stage.[/QUOTE]
Derry, Down and Armagh are at best mid tier teams and have been for a long time. Derry have been knocked out of the Championship three times by Longford in the last decade. Donegal having to face any of that trio in the Ulster Championship would be comparable to say Dublin having to face Westmeath, Laois or Wexford in a Leinster quarter final.
I think you meant to include Carlow there.
Jesus christ