[QUOTE=“Colin Montgomerie, post: 1030715, member: 9”]Yeah, I accept that. Just making the point that seeding based on previous performance would be one fair(ish) way of ensuring a more balanced draw.
In your example, those three potential preliminary round teams couldn’t have any qualms about being in that round based on losing before the semi-finals last year.[/QUOTE]
I don’t have qualms about a tough Ulster draw, chances are it’s always going to be tough although the last two years have thrown up an anomaly in very lopsided draws. My gripe is with imbalance of the Championship structure as a whole.
The provincial system creates a imbalance but there is nothing done by the GAA to restore this balance.
[QUOTE=“Il Bomber Destro, post: 1030729, member: 2533”]I don’t have qualms about a tough Ulster draw, chances are it’s always going to be tough although the last two years have thrown up an anomaly in very lopsided draws. My gripe is with imbalance of the Championship structure as a whole.
The provincial system creates a imbalance but there is nothing done by the GAA to restore this balance.[/QUOTE]
Getting more games is an advantage you absolute tool. Cork and Kerry would probably have more all Ireland’s if they were in it. Dublin certainly would.
Your lack thereof f basic sporting knowledge is becoming a joke now.
I propose this thread closed till the 2015 league final is playe .
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1030731, member: 273”]Getting more games is an advantage you absolute tool. Cork and Kerry would probably have more all Ireland’s if they were in it. Dublin certainly would.
Your lack thereof f basic sporting knowledge is becoming a joke now.
I propose this thread closed till the 2015 league final is playe .[/QUOTE]
Tomas O’Se said Kerry would have struggled to put back to back All Irelands together had they to come through Ulster every year.
Bollix. Just because some cute Kerry good is staying clean for his media career means such that ng have to be taken with a large pinch of salt.
Kerry, and Cork, have both won all Ireland’s thru the back door. It done them no harm, and were they slipped early by so!e team in ulster they’d still be contenders. The only team that could be said of is Donegal from Ulste . Before that it was Tyrone, for a brief period Tyrone and Armagh. But generally there is only one real contender from ulster year on year, and often none.
That’s the reality. If they got easier draws with less games how would they perfect their shitty negative game plans?
Face it, Ulster is a load of average football teams
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1030741, member: 273”]Bollix. Just because some cute Kerry good is staying clean for his media career means such that ng have to be taken with a large pinch of salt.
Kerry, and Cork, have both won all Ireland’s thru the back door. It done them no harm, and were they slipped early by so!e team in ulster they’d still be contenders. The only team that could be said of is Donegal from Ulste . Before that it was Tyrone, for a brief period Tyrone and Armagh. But generally there is only one real contender from ulster year on year, and often none.
That’s the reality. If they got easier draws with less games how would they perfect their shitty negative game plans?
Face it, Ulster is a load of average football teams[/QUOTE]
Ulster have 5 All Irelands in the last 14 years. 6 counties have reached semi finals in that time, 4 have reached finals.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1030741, member: 273”]Bollix. Just because some cute Kerry good is staying clean for his media career means such that ng have to be taken with a large pinch of salt.
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Eh…they struggled to put back to back All–Irelands together playing in Munster.
I don’t know about that - Kerry have been beating Derry, Cavan, Monaghan, Fermanagh, Antrim etc without too much bother ever since the advent of the back door. Have never lost to them. They have had tougher games from Limerick in Munster who drew with Kerry once and nearly beat them another time. Clare gave Kerry bags of it this year.
Of the bigger guns Kerry have beaten them all in ulster bar Down of course
[QUOTE=“kerry1891, post: 1031254, member: 1379”]I don’t know about that - Kerry have been beating Derry, Cavan, Monaghan, Fermanagh, Antrim etc without too much bother ever since the advent of the back door. Have never lost to them. They have had tougher games from Limerick in Munster who drew with Kerry once and nearly beat them another time. Clare gave Kerry bags of it this year.
Of the bigger guns Kerry have beaten them all in ulster bar Down of course[/QUOTE]
Kerry’s record against Down, Kerry, Tyrone and Donegal in the past 13 years of knockout Championship football is:*
What other teams have beaten Kerry in knockout Championship football in that time? Dublin twice? Anyone else? Since 2002, they have have won 5 All Irelands, so they have been knocked out of the All Ireland eight times, six of those times were at the hand of Ulster teams. I don’t think it’s in anyway a small understatement to express the relative problems Kerry have had with Ulster teams.
How often have they met the rest? Monaghan put them to the pins of their collars in 2007, Derry were comfortably beaten in 2004 in a semi-final and are you really going to bring games against the minnows like Antrim and Fermanagh into this? Cavan have done fuck all in 20 odd years as well.
[QUOTE=“Il Bomber Destro, post: 1031274, member: 2533”]Kerry’s record against Down, Kerry, Tyrone and Donegal in the past 13 years of knockout Championship football is:*
What other teams have beaten Kerry in knockout Championship football in that time? Dublin twice? Anyone else? Since 2002, they have have won 5 All Irelands, so they have been knocked out of the All Ireland eight times, six of those times were at the hand of Ulster teams. I don’t think it’s in anyway a small understatement to express the relative problems Kerry have had with Ulster teams.
How often have they met the rest? Monaghan put them to the pins of their collars in 2007, Derry were comfortably beaten in 2004 in a semi-final and are you really going to bring games against the minnows like Antrim and Fermanagh into this? Cavan have done fuck all in 20 odd years as well.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=“Il Bomber Destro, post: 1031274, member: 2533”]Kerry’s record against Down, Kerry, Tyrone and Donegal in the past 13 years of knockout Championship football is:*
What other teams have beaten Kerry in knockout Championship football in that time? Dublin twice? Anyone else? Since 2002, they have have won 5 All Irelands, so they have been knocked out of the All Ireland eight times, six of those times were at the hand of Ulster teams. I don’t think it’s in anyway a small understatement to express the relative problems Kerry have had with Ulster teams.
How often have they met the rest? Monaghan put them to the pins of their collars in 2007, Derry were comfortably beaten in 2004 in a semi-final and are you really going to bring games against the minnows like Antrim and Fermanagh into this? Cavan have done fuck all in 20 odd years as well.[/QUOTE]
The only record that matters is Kerry’s haul of 37 All Ireland tiles in 127 seasons of Championship football.
The combined Ulster haul of All Ireland title’s in 127 seasons of championship football is 17 (Down 5, Cavan 5, Tyrone 3, Donegal 2, Derry 1, Armagh 1).
What’s with the random 13 years? Is the start of the century not a more logical starting point. Or is that just an inconvenience to you that Kerry beat Armagh in 2000. And in the 13 year timespan you are referring to, Kerry beat the now 24 times All Ireland champions Dublin in 2001, 2004, 2007 and 2009. Not twice as you’ve incorrectly said.
There’s only two back to back All Ireland Football winners in the past quarter century and they both come from Munster - Cork and Kerry. Whatever about their demise and eclipse by the province of Leinster in hurling, Munster still remains the powerhouse of Gaelic Football.
[QUOTE=“Manuel Zelaya, post: 1031284, member: 377”]The only record that matters is Kerry’s haul of 37 All Ireland tiles in 127 seasons of Championship football.
The combined Ulster haul of All Ireland title’s in 127 seasons of championship football is 17 (Down 5, Cavan 5, Tyrone 3, Donegal 2, Derry 1, Armagh 1).
What’s with the random 13 years? Is the start of the century not a more logical starting point. Or is that just an inconvenience to you that Kerry beat Armagh in 2000. And in the 13 year timespan you are referring to, Kerry beat the now 24 times All Ireland champions Dublin in 2001, 2004, 2007 and 2009. Not twice as you’ve incorrectly said.[/QUOTE]
You must be another one with horrible comprehension skills as I said Dublin beat Kerry twice in the past 13 years, not the other way around.
No they weren’t. The confidence given to ulster teams was from Down in particular who derived their tradition from the 60’s which helped them in 91. Donegal and Derry adding titles have others the confidence to push on. That was clearly the starting point. But without Fown you’d wonder would there ever have been an emergence. There probably would have been, but much later and slower.
You should study the history of gaelic football a little more closely.
Kerry supposedly had problems beating Kildare in the 20’s, Roscommon in the 40’s, Meath in the 50’s, Galway in the 60’s and Donegal even in 2012. Kerry have managed to overcome all those hang up’s and any inferiority complex they might have left and picked off any number of All Ireland titles even subsequently going on to beat Kildare, Roscommon, Meath, Galway and Donegal in the final.
If this forum is still around in 30 years time, you’ll no doubt be spewing the same old tired refrain about how there’ll never be an era of football to match 2002-08. Kerry will have 50 All Ireland’s notched up by then and Tyrone and Armagh will most likely be stuck on 3 and 1 respectively.
Kildare, Roscommon, Cavan, Mayo, Offaly, Galway, Down, Armagh, Donegal and Tyrone come along once in a generation or even a lifetime but Kerry are always there as the standard bearers, the kingpins of gaelic football.
Your constant sneering of Kerry football and their great tradition shows you up as nothing but a yob who has no understanding or comprehension of the game.
I think watching their near neighbours winning their first All Ireland a year earlier, a team who they had met and played and beat at underage over the immediate preceding years was of a much bigger motivation to Tyrone than the the successes of Down, Derry and Donegal in the early 90s.
I think the 1995 team, which was inspired by the 1986 team and then the Down 1991 breakthrough, would have been of considerably more inspiration to the men of Tyrone.
