Listen, I’ve only offered up salient points here. I think what you’re intimating at is fanciful stuff, I don’t think it is practical for clubs to serve smaller areas in Dublin due to the economic situation. In an ideal world yes, but I don’t think it is practical. Dublin is the economic hub in Ireland, correct me of figures here but I would say it provides circa 400k jobs around its environ, it is not a sprawling area. The area where Kilmacud covers is quite a desired, affluent area on the doorstep of the economic centre of Ireland and is heavily populated.
Offer me a solution then.
How much would splitting Kilmacud in two cost, new clubhouses, pitch and training facilities would have to be developed.
a) You have to find a site capable of holding such
b) You have to pay a premium to purchase said site, which would probably be a late 7/8 figure sum in particular area. I’m not au fait with D4 land prices so someone else can corroborate.
c) You will have to build the facilities, develop pitches etc which will also run into the millions not to mention getting planning permission and local backing etc
This is unfeasible to do, realistically. The alternative is making use of municipal sports grounds as you say. I’d say these are pretty much stretched for use as is in Dublin at the minute, then you have the scenario where kids and families have an established club on their doorstep which can offer all the top facilities, best coaching etc - then they’re probably going to choose it.
You’re not looking at this pragmatically, you claim me and Mac don’t know what we’re talking about but you’re the one telling people on the ground there that they’re wrong or have a vested interest in stating their case.
Who is on the ground there? My friends who moved there?
Nobody else seems to be saying they are from there. Spidey is from Dublin and probably knows a few of them, thats about the size of it.
They may be working hard, but i believe they, and many others, have the wrong goals and the wrong set up.
And as for money, the GAA and government pay for it. The money is there, absolutely no doubt about it. The land, pitches, facilities is something going on all tge time all over ireland and the world. Nothing new there and its just an easy argument for you and other lazy arguments. Nothing worth achieving is ever easy. Sporting facilities that help more kids play sport for longer ahould not be an issue.
Spideys own club i assume had to go through all that and more and probably still is.
Yourself and Mac got involved in a discussion ye have absolutely no idea about. I compared urban areas with stats, club sizes and participation numbers. In an area far far smaller than Kilmacuds catchment Nemo Rangers vary between 6 and 7 adult football teams every year. Douglas next door only has 3 but 4 times the pick, just as comparable as Kilmacud. Kerins O’ Rahillys and Stacks have 3 and sometimes 4 in a town area with 5 clubs. There are many other examples out there.
Most very good organisations work from the top down. But the GAA just lets things slide along. And i think they are in danger in tge next 20 years of slipping back to 1950’-70’s levels of interest and participation. I would not like that to happen as i value our Gaelic Heritage. However if it does and there are alternatives for my kids and grandkids then i won’t care that much.
One bit of rare credit i will give is to the Cork CB. They forced big populations to move their 2nd teams up to Intermediate and basicalky told them use their oick, look after your players and reach the standard. It was a great idea and will have long term benefits. I believe tgere is moves to do something similar at underage. This is the thought process needed for GAA to flourish. Those types of thinkers don’t seem to be around now, and clearly don’t exist on tfk.
@mac how did you associate yourself with me and could you ensure this doesn’t happen again, you’re better than the likes of me, please correct your current course while there’s still time.
House prices is the only determining factor?
And did you check Marybouragh and Rochestown which are also Douglas catchment area? I could pick some spot on Blackrock road in Blackrock, Cork to make a point.
Not that it has anything to do with the general discussion. That was Mac throwing in some moronic point about the players KC DON’T have whereas i’m talking about what they do have. And KC are only a prime example.
Portlaoise, Ballyboden, Douglas, Ballincollig, Blackrock etc are all areas that should have more teams.
Yes and it would not cost north of €10m to set up new clubs in any of those areas. You’re as thick as a ditch, IT IS NOT FUCKING FEASIBLE YOU SIMPLED MINDED FUCKER.
Why should the GAA and Government pay for it? Are there not more important things to use resources for with in both remits? Jobs, roads, health etc should all be the priority of Government spending.
The GAA would be better served trying to help out weaker counties and growing the games in those areas rather than in an area where the game is thriving.
Fella 10M has been wasted on alot more stupid ideas.
Of course its feasable.
You don’t understand the gaa, dublin, how things work etc so why are you pretending to just to have an argument and a percieved “win”?
You are a sad person.
Ok lets think about this for a minute. Using Kilmacud crokes as an example Kev wants another club set up in the area as he reckons they have the population to support it. This new club would need board members team mentors and most importantly players. This is not going to be easy unless there’s some kind of falling out or split in crokes. Also facilities. But let’s say crokes are forced to give them one of their pitches. So you have to start from the bottom up with nurseries at a young age. But you only have one pitch. You need to convince parents to bring their kids to this new club as opposed to the already well established crokes club. Again not easy. Tradition means a lot in the gaa and parents are going to want their kids playing at clubs where they can excell. So you set up your club and obviously your teams are going to be weak to start with playing the lower divisions. The same standard the least talented kids would still get to play at with crokes anyway. So how is this going to attract players from crokes! Simple answer it’s not. Do you bring in a parish rule to force kids to play with this new club! Impossible to do in Dublin. So best case scenario in 15/20 years you have a small club with crap facilities playing in the lower leagues struggling to survive. It would take a mad man to take on the task. Much wiser for the gaa to put resources in to struggling clubs with big populations fingallians and finians in swords etc. Kilmacud are not the problem in Dublin gaa. They have their house in order.
You think blowing 8 figures sums on some recreational roaster pursuit is a better idea than putting it into areas like jobs, health, education etc and I don’t know anything.
Your whole proposal is fantasy stuff devoid of any pragmatism or critical thought.
You’re an idiot, a very dumb one with a staggering arsenal of arrogance behind it.
I must have had a brain fart last night thinking I could actually get Kev to see a perspective other than his own misinformed views. I’ll take my moronic and retarded views to other threads where posters have a semblance of class, intelligence and open minds.
I think this is all correct. I don’t believe any part of D4 is in Kilmacud. I think the only GAA club left in D4 is Clann Gael Fontenoys. There was a club in Donnybrook years ago and in D6 there was a Rathgar Gaels, but these are defunct now. Kilmacud is a fairly mixed area as South County Dublin goes.
You do realise the GAA is loaded?
You do realise the government seperates monies for Sport from Health and infrastructure or anything else ya?
Money spent on sport is not taken from health.
You are a remedial class debater with absolutely no knowledge of what you are talking about. I’m not arrogant, i just know what i am talking about, think critically and don’t have any of the standard irish hang ups.
